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In his SECOND TREATISE OF GOVERNMENT, Locke identified the basis of a legitimate government. According to Locke, a ruler gains authority through the consent of the governed. The duty of that government is to protect the natural rights of the people, which Locke believed to include LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY. If the government should fail to protect these rights, its citizens would have the right to overthrow that government. This idea deeply influenced THOMAS JEFFERSON as he drafted the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
originally posted by: luthier
It's a complex issue that isn't really about guns.
We have over 350 million in the current circulation that is more than American populatuon. Gun control at best would take decades to take effect.
originally posted by: Edumakated
If we agree that the shooters are lunatics, then we also must agree that gun control really isn't the issue. The issue is why are these kids flipping out and what can we do to prevent that from occurring?
originally posted by: Willtell
Are they to carry the gun on them openly?
Conceal it
Sure, so one of the children can get their hands on it…
Are they going to be trained?
Who’s to pay for all of that
How many teachers should be armed, all of them?
One or two of them?
What about the custodians, arm them too?
There’s only one solution to this
Throw out the Republican Party from any real power
originally posted by: pavil
In case you didn't know, the military doesn't pay great wages either. Will it cost money, yes. Is that money spent worth it to protect our schools?
Are you saying it costs too much to try and solve this problem?
I know janitors in our local school who did ok and got a pension and insurance ect. He was the janitor at our local school for 26 years.
originally posted by: luthier
Most teachers make more than 10 an hour.
Teachers in my state are well over that. In my town it's $64k
that is every kids dream
originally posted by: matafuchs
Teachers do not need guns. There needs to be a trained deterrent.
I am attending our local School Board meeting next week.
Link
Armed and Trained retired LEO's and Military. Put them to work.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: luthier
Most teachers make more than 10 an hour.
Teachers in my state are well over that. In my town it's $64k
The national average is $36,000 per year. Minus taxes puts them at about $30,000. Minus school supplies puts them at about $25,000. Then there's the massive student loans, as teaching requires a masters degree. You're looking at (at current rates) $70,000 in student loans which is another $5000/year. Putting them at a take home of about $20,000/year which is roughly $10/hour. Walmart cashiers make just as much.
originally posted by: angeldoll
Back on topic,
So the teachers will have hand guns? Right. Go at somebody who has one of those rapid fire-gun things, and see what happens. The police and security guards will be essentially helpless too with their hand guns, give me a break, unless they can get a shot from behind. How long will it take, and how many lives, to arrange that? Plus it's setting up the teachers on any given hall, to be killed first.
Hands shaking, poor vision, scared to death. Oh yeah. Miss Jones will be able to get him right between the eyes as he's mowing down her classroom with rapid fire.
Absurd.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Just imagine how that would feel to the students. Everyday seeing men walking around with rifles and knowing that they've been trained to kill you and your classmates. That doesn't sound like a productive learning environment.
originally posted by: luthier
It's far harder to kill your friends and family in a battle and this is how war and the actual battle is fought. Asymmetrically with the mind.