Say it... Trump was right! Countries Falling Short of Climate Change Promises

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krakatoa

It isn't/wasn't a "deal" to begin with. It's a series of promises to bring countries together on good faith to reduce the global carbon output. It wasn't until Trump that it was referred to as a "deal" and one we could be "losing" or have gotten a bad one.

Not everything is about winning and losing... I wish Trump and his supporters would attempt to understand that. Duality is dumb.

Playing semantics again I see. A promise is an agreement between two parties.

deal
dēl/
verb
1. distribute (cards) in an orderly rotation to the players for a game or round.
"the cards were dealt for the last hand"
synonyms: distribute, give out, share out, divide out, hand out, pass out, pass around, dole out, dispense, allocate; informal divvy up
"the cards were dealt"
include a new player in a card game by giving them cards.
distribute or mete out (something) to a person or group.
"the funds raised were dealt out to the needy"

2. take part in commercial trading of a particular commodity.
"directors were prohibited from dealing in the company's shares"
synonyms: trade in, buy and sell; More sell, peddle, purvey, supply, stock, market, merchandise; traffic, smuggle; informal push
"the company deals in high-tech goods"
be concerned with.
"a movie that deals in ideas and issues"
synonyms: concern, be about, have to do with, discuss, consider, cover, pertain to;
More tackle, study, explore, investigate, examine, review, analyze
"the article deals with advances in chemistry"
informal buy and sell illegal drugs.
"Frankie started dealing coc aine"

3. take measures concerning (someone or something), especially with the intention of putting something right.
"the government had been unable to deal with the economic crisis"
synonyms: cope with, handle, manage, treat, take care of, take charge of, take in hand, sort out, tackle, take on;
More control; act toward, behave toward
"how to deal with difficult children"
cope with (a difficult person or situation).
"you'll have to find a way of dealing with those feelings"
treat (someone) in a particular way.
"life had dealt harshly with her"
have relations with (a person or organization), especially in a commercial context.
"the bank deals directly with the private sector"
take or have as a subject; discuss.
"the novel deals with several different topics"

4. inflict (a blow) on (someone or something).
"hopes of an economic recovery were dealt another blow"
synonyms: deliver, administer, dispense, inflict, give, impose; aim
"the court dealt a blow to government reforms"

noun noun: deal; plural noun: deals
1. an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.
"the band signed a major recording deal"
synonyms: agreement, understanding, pact, bargain, covenant, contract, treaty;
More arrangement, compromise, settlement; terms; transaction, sale, account; indenture
"completion of the deal"
an attractive price on a commodity for a purchaser; a bargain.
"we've got great deals on the latest camcorders"
a particular form of treatment given or received.
"working mothers get a raw deal"

2. a significant but unspecified amount of something.
"he lost a great deal of blood"

Definition of DEAL

Sorry, a deal's a deal. It's an agreement between two parties.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Fine. Call it whatever you want. It still can't be negative since there are no repercussions to not living up to the promises within. As such it is physically impossible for the Paris Climate Accord to be a "bad deal" for anyone involved.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Have you not heard of these things called "precedents" before? They are a real driver behind how the office of the President operates and has operated since George Washington.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krakatoa

Fine. Call it whatever you want. It still can't be negative since there are no repercussions to not living up to the promises within. As such it is physically impossible for the Paris Climate Accord to be a "bad deal" for anyone involved.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Your faithful devotion to a political ideology has you blinded. You are twisting and flailing trying to validate a failed position when confronted by facts.

Sad really.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krakatoa

Fine. Call it whatever you want. It still can't be negative since there are no repercussions to not living up to the promises within. As such it is physically impossible for the Paris Climate Accord to be a "bad deal" for anyone involved.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Your faithful devotion to a political ideology has you blinded. You are twisting and flailing trying to validate a failed position when confronted by facts.

Sad really.

Wow... Way to literally say nothing.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krakatoa

Fine. Call it whatever you want. It still can't be negative since there are no repercussions to not living up to the promises within. As such it is physically impossible for the Paris Climate Accord to be a "bad deal" for anyone involved.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Your faithful devotion to a political ideology has you blinded. You are twisting and flailing trying to validate a failed position when confronted by facts.

Sad really.

Wow... Way to literally say nothing.

And the fact you fail to grasp that simple concept further demonstrates it as being a valid assessment.

Still, sad.... and very closed mined IMO.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Another post devoid of any substance. Well I guess you have nothing left to say if all you can do is attack me. I bid you adieu. That means good bye.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sorry, but you can't weasel out of another person's promise. Trump called BS on it and shot it down. Like a real leader.

Trump is the President. The President made the promise. Just because the person inhabiting that office is different doesn't dampen the severity of that promise. The office of the President holds weight when it makes a promise and it shows weakness when you reneg on it.

That's the most bass-ackwards thing I've ever heard. We elected Trump to to make change. Wasn't that Barry's promise too? How'd that work out? Trump is correcting weakness. It's almost like you've never heard the phrase, "There's a new Sheriff in town". Lots of people use it. Lots of Presidents too.

a reply to: underpass61

That's the most bass-ackwards thing I've ever heard.

So is calling the Paris Climate Accord a "bad deal".

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: underpass61

That's the most bass-ackwards thing I've ever heard.

So is calling the Paris Climate Accord a "bad deal".

As was the ACA a bad deal.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: StallionDuck

Have you not heard of these things called "precedents" before? They are a real driver behind how the office of the President operates and has operated since George Washington.

"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson

To suggest a perceived requirement of policy persistence in our federal government is absurd. So absurd in fact that the same Washington you reference, in his farewell address, warned against long term alliances with other nations.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So? The Paris Accord didn't even have its running legs yet before Trump pulled the carpet out from under it. You can't exactly call that a "long term alliance".

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So? The Paris Accord didn't even have its running legs yet before Trump pulled the carpet out from under it. You can't exactly call that a "long term alliance".

Your comment, "Trump pulled the carpet out from under it" implies that the United States participation was crucial to its success. Yet, you also imply that there are no repercussions from not following through on the agreement anyways?

Which is it?

You cannot have both.

SMH

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: StallionDuck

Regardless of what other countries end up doing the PCA was ALWAYS a series of promises. Trump never had to leave the accord and could have just renegged on the promises as these countries are doing. This was only supposed to be a stepping stone to cleaner air, not the end game.

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Why stay in an agreement you're not going to keep to? It makes far more sense to just not enter into crappy deal.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: StallionDuck

Regardless of what other countries end up doing the PCA was ALWAYS a series of promises. Trump never had to leave the accord and could have just renegged on the promises as these countries are doing. This was only supposed to be a stepping stone to cleaner air, not the end game.

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Why stay in an agreement you're not going to keep to? It makes far more sense to just not enter into crappy deal.

What was "crappy" about it exactly?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So? The Paris Accord didn't even have its running legs yet before Trump pulled the carpet out from under it. You can't exactly call that a "long term alliance".

But from what we were all told, the US was the ONLY, nation who wasn't doing it. We were all shamed for backing Trump's decision on that. As he clearly stated, it would have limited our ability to compete in some markets, and when you are trying like hell to emerge from a recession, moving backwards is a piss poor idea.

If this was the greatest thing evah, as it was billed, then all the other nations should be making yuge strides in reducing emissions and making us look like idiots. They aren't. So while it may not have been a "deal", whatever you want to call it, it was a poor one. tow that line, tow that line. Rebuttal at all costs!

a reply to: network dude

But from what we were all told, the US was the ONLY, nation who wasn't doing it.

Well whoever told you that was lying. The US is one of three countries not on the accord.

If this was the greatest thing evah, as it was billed, then all the other nations should be making yuge strides in reducing emissions and making us look like idiots.

Other nations like China?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

But from what we were all told, the US was the ONLY, nation who wasn't doing it.

Well whoever told you that was lying. The US is one of three countries not on the accord.

If this was the greatest thing evah, as it was billed, then all the other nations should be making yuge strides in reducing emissions and making us look like idiots.

Other nations like China?

From your source:

The government did not issue a hard timeline, and regulations and other details still have to be worked out. But environmental groups that worked with the government said they could emerge in the next couple of years. “Everything is gradual, step by step,” said Li Junfeng, a senior government adviser on the carbon market plan.

Plans are one thing, executing on those plans are another. Promises do not have to be kept according to you. SO, I'll believe this when I see the skyline of Shanghai as clean as the air over Mount Wutai.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

you aren't very good at this.

www.independent.co.uk...

www.nytimes.com...

www.newsweek.com...

a reply to: network dude

Ok. My bad. Things have changed since the last time I looked that up.