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posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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Is it the difference in the frame of reference of the urban to countryside dwellers vs the metro inundated.
I could see that.




posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

My suggestion is to stop making the murderers famous and stop making these issues political.


In the days since the deadly shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, police have been busy with a flood of copycat threats. At least five people – many of them teenage students, have been arrested across the country.

time.com...

No, it's not a cure all.
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posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: DrumsRfun

Oh, but gun control is easy.

Guns don't attempt to resist you when you pick them up and take them away.

People on the other hand do fight very hard when you attempt to teach them self-control. That's why it's easiest to actually parent from the time they are very, very young rather than think the schools will do it. It's too bad so many parents these days are weak-willed twerps who don't want their kids to be mad at them so they cave in instead of simply saying "NO."



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flatcoat

That's just a right wing talking point. Social engineering is "teaching" people how to get along in society. It can include valuing human life, treating people who are different from you with respect, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, and better ways to deal with adversity.


Gee ... once upon a time, you did this on Sunday. It was called "church."



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Love and hate has nothing to do with it...keep using fool thought,that line of thought is far gone.
Sad right??

I might love the bird I kill and still hate doing it.

Get a clue before you start calling me sad...I am rather content.


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posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

www.grancops.com

That is the answer. Armed Mentors in school that can help to identify the issue before it happens and stop it if it does.

Only way to combat this is to be proactive and not reactive.

Reactive- Banning something AFTER the fact
ProActive - PROTECT our kids

Great OP post PFFFHTTTTTT.....



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I've mentioned this in numerous threads, have been encouraged by some to keeping the message going.

A workable solution to the gun violence is not banning guns.

A workable solution is to teach people not to shoot.

It's to teach people better ways to cope with stresses.

It's to teach people better ways to deal with bullies, societal pressures, family issues, and life in general.

Right now, at this very moment, the next school shooter is sitting somewhere. He is angry. His outlook is hopeless. He doesn't know of any alternative to the violence he feels is the appropriate solution.

We need to reach out to him right now. We can't identify who he is. We don't know what state/city/school he is in.

So we have to reach out to everyone. We have to teach everyone. We have to embrace everyone and tell them that there are better ways to deal with the problems being faced.

That's what we need to do in our schools.


Taking away guns just takes away the tool. It does nothing to relieve the desire to commit violence.


We, the "gun nuts", the "bullet bois", don't want the violence to continue any more than the gun grabbers do.

We are looking at solving the problem and not the symptom.

Just because we want to keep our guns does not make us haters, or violent nutjobs.


If someone has a better, more permanent solution, then bring it!


Banning bump stocks won't solve it.
Raising the age to buy guns won't solve it.
And banning guns is just plain stupid.


It'll never woiyk, Haaaagh pit ding!



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Leftist politicians have been calling for the ban of so-called assault rifles for a long time.

They say they don't want to ban handguns...

Most gun deaths in America are via handguns. In terms of mass shootings like the ones the news loves to use to poke your emotions.... more people die from car accidents in a single year than have died in those ever in America. Assault rifles are not the guns used in ordinary murders.

So... if they only want to ban some guns for the eeasons they claim, then they cannot stop without targeting simple handguns.

Yes, yhr want to ban all guns



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Shout it from the roof tops.

That is, quite simply, the truth of the matter.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Does it matter the source?

I fail to see what's wrong with that statement. Every social interaction we have is an attempt at engineering a response favorable to us.

Teaching right from wrong. I think we can all agree that's a good thing. Teaching that maybe it's a good thing to say "# it", and walk away whenever possible.



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

A workable solution to the gun violence is not banning guns.

A workable solution is to teach people not to shoot.

It's to teach people better ways to cope with stresses.

It's to teach people better ways to deal with bullies, societal pressures, family issues, and life in general.

Right now, at this very moment, the next school shooter is sitting somewhere. He is angry. His outlook is hopeless. He doesn't know of any alternative to the violence he feels is the appropriate solution.

We need to reach out to him right now. We can't identify who he is. We don't know what state/city/school he is in.

So we have to reach out to everyone. We have to teach everyone. We have to embrace everyone and tell them that there are better ways to deal with the problems being faced.

That's what we need to do in our schools.


Taking away guns just takes away the tool. It does nothing to relieve the desire to commit violence.


We, the "gun nuts", the "bullet bois", don't want the violence to continue any more than the gun grabbers do.

We are looking at solving the problem and not the symptom.


I agree, banning guns will NOT solve the “problem”

Guns are just one tool, albeit the tool most often of choice, used to commit violence.

If all guns were banned; confiscated, and even destroyed, other weapons would be employed by sad, sick people to commit their violent acts.

I would suggest, however, that since guns ARE, more often than not, the weapon of choice in these horrible scenarios, perhaps, if we want to reduce (eliminate would likely be an impossible goal) the death and injury that result from these incidents, we might do something to make the guns available “less effectively, efficiently lethal”?

Maybe guns available to the public don’t need to fire multiple rounds per second, or perhaps they don’t need to be able to fire more than half a dozen rounds without being reloaded? Maybe we can get by without anything “semi-automatic”?

Yes, for a while at least, we’ll still find ways to kill each other, some of us will still be compelled to commit mass murder of otherwise innocent children.

But maybe we can take steps to make the next Massacre just a bit more difficult to achieve, with a few less children wounded, a few less dead, because it took just a few more seconds to kill them?

Yes, we need to figure out why some of us are compelled to violence, violence of any kind, against the innocent. And yes, even if we don’t have “The Answer” to that question, I agree that we Must make the effort to try solutions to the best of our ability now, while we work on better ones.

Lives depend on it.

Perhaps our children’s lives.

Don’t you think Both solutions should be tried?

Neither is guaranteed.

But if we wait, we will only have ourselves to blame “the Next time”.



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 07:30 AM
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That's cool. When you can't control the gun you wont be able to hit a thing.

What? You're willing to teach people some socialistic dignity with Big Brother Bollocks (BBB) now? Sounds insanely expensive, what about ending poverty for good with an UBI and a peace on drugs?
Lemme guess; you can't! Mil-ind detention complexes have your ideas tightly cornered in an open carry free speech corner. It's amazing to see that you guys are still able to move a little bit.



The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind.

F. Nietzsche



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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So you are saying the left opposes lawful firearms because they're too poor to purchase them?

In what world does that make sense. Maybe lefty-land.



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


Mil-ind detention complexes have your ideas tightly cornered in an open carry free speech corner. It's amazing to see that you guys are still able to move a little bit.


One of the greatest comments I have read all day


When a decent sized chunk of our 340,000,000 populace believes the solution to criminal/terrorist violence is the surrender/banning of lawfully owned firearms, you know you're in for some troubles.

Didn't another region have a period known as the troubles? Yet another Republic's fight for freedom and independence, if I'm not mistaken? Just in another place for very different reasons.
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posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
You won't see this data on the US evening news...

Here is something else you won't see in the so called "news"...


Some critics lambasted mainstream media for underplaying Meli's story, exposing a bias against reporting on how guns can play a part in saving innocent lives. Newsbusters.org, dedicated to "exposing and combating liberal media bias," posted a story proclaiming, "Virtually Unreported: CCW Holder Likely Prevented Larger Clackamas Mall Death Toll." And it's true that Meli's story was absent from liberal discussions on MSNBC.

Clackamas Town Center shooting: Story of armed shopper fuels national debate

A Google News search on Nick Meli's full name in quotes at 11:00 a.m. ET returned no other story. Earlier this week, a group of Democratic Party politicians in Oregon co-sponsored "a bill that would ban semi-automatic rifles classified as assault weapons." It appears that the legislation would, if enacted, have banned Meli from carrying his Glock (disclosed in the video coverage, but not the text). Mall shoppers who survived that day, their families, and the public should be asking the dimwitted dozen how much worse the death toll might have been on December 11 if Meli had instead been unarmed -- if they only knew the story the press won't tell.

Virtually Unreported: CCW Holder Likely Prevented Larger Clackamas Mall Death Toll



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 12:12 PM
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It's nice to see someone with an honest and open mind who wants to just talk about this and not ram there comments down peoples (foreigner's) throats.

First off I'm BRITISH, with an opinion that will slightly differ to yours as British culture isn't ingrained with gun ownership.........

This is usually when I get the "You can't have an opinion, you're not American" or the "You live in a nanny state, You tried before, 'merica!!!", so before any American members start shouting insults, I've heard it all before, and it makes Americans sound like a bunch of hillbilly inbred load mouths, this is the WORLD wide web. Also I have never commented about banning firearms only about access to them in previous threads before all the insults start.

I only disagree with two points, 1 is bump stocks, and 2 is the age a person can OWN (not fire) a gun.
I've commented before in other threads (as you can tell from my first paragraph). Firearms ownership is NOT illegal here in the UK, but is a lot harder to get a "license" to own one, but this isn't about gun ownership in the UK.

The two points I disagree with......
point 1.
As Ive never fired a semi-automatic let alone a full automatic, why would someone want to add a bump stock to make a semi-auto to a full-auto? I've heard the arguments that a semi-auto can be fired just as quick as a full-auto, but I imagine that the person would have to be a fairly highly trained individual to get off good shots on target, were as a mechanism added by someone gives them more of chance to be a "better shot" from the get go? Why would you need this device?


from 1986 to 2007, at least 1,626,525 AR-15-style semi-automatic rifles were produced and not exported from the United States.

Are bump stocks just a way around an already excisting law about fully-automatic firearms? A lot of owners already comment about the excisting laws, and that they should be all thats needed and be better enforced, but if manufacturers can make a "thing" to get around said law very easily, then its not really enforced at all is it? How many semi-autos are "bump stocked"? I couldn't find much unbiased info' about this.

point 2.
Shouldn't gun ownership be something an adult decides? Being taught how to control and fire a weapon should be something you have to prove to get said ownership, either by a professional or maybe a parent. I think anyone who can vote, get married, drink alcohol, drive a car is the right age to own a gun, but other instances should be with a parent or authorized person till said age? A lot of these shootings involve children and their ease of access to firearms.

I think a lot of these shootings occur because certain departments don't talk to each other, lots of red tape, and no team work across these departments, shouldn't there be some kind "red flag" team that cross refrence medical records (mental instability), firearm licences with tip offs aswell as police/law enforcement records, these records already excist so no new laws are needed and no personal infringements are occurring that are already happening any way?

Other than my 2 points, I tend agree with you, I think it's good to see someone atleast thinking about mass shootings and gun crime with an open mind and how to try and fix this growing problem.




posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 12:22 PM
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Much obliged.




Didn't another region have a period known as the troubles? Yet another Republic's fight for freedom and independence, if I'm not mistaken? Just in another place for very different reasons.


And then the Freikorps ( "free" volunteers) crushed another uprise against tyranny in a very bloody winter.


The revolutionaries, inspired by socialist ideas, did not hand over power to Soviet-style councils as the Bolsheviks had done in Russia, because the leadership of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) opposed their creation. The SPD opted instead for a national assembly that would form the basis for a parliamentary system of government.[1] Fearing an all-out civil war in Germany between militant workers and reactionary conservatives, the SPD did not plan to strip the old German upper classes completely of their power and privileges. Instead, it sought to integrate them into the new social democratic system. In this endeavour, SPD leftists sought an alliance with the German Supreme Command. This allowed the army and the Freikorps (nationalist militias) to quell the communist Spartacist uprising of 4–15 January 1919 by force. The same alliance of political forces succeeded in suppressing uprisings of the left in other parts of Germany, with the result that the country was completely pacified by late 1919.


This is probably what "they" have in the works for all of us, again. Unsurprisingly.
The reduction of this whole debate regarding (state) violence, to the aspect of guns and mental issues (or criminal records for that matter), is a clear warning sign in my book. It's essentially the same game with russian hackers; just keep this talkingpoint going and the Dixiecats wont have to take any responsibility for a lost election.
Nobody addresses the underlying issues anymore. What about alienation in an extremely competitive, and violent, society, that is getting increasingly lost in a collective trauma of sorts? Where is the perspective for kids in this ongoing desaster?

But nope. Istead of working out ways to (re)build communities that are inclusive, and not gated, I now even see efforts to ignore the whole class-warfare, and to indoctrinate the unruly into obedience instead. History obviously tends to repeat itself.

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posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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I just can never be moved to the point where I say "guns are bad". I can be moved really easy to the point of "people are bad".

I believe there are tons of things people can do to be better. We need more mental health hospitals and more people in them. There are thousands maybe millions of people walking the streets right now that should be insitutionalized.

Kids have too much free time. I don't know what needs to be done there but idol hands are a devils tools.

It seems like kids are physically growing up sooner but not maturing mentally. Year around school? Mandatory military service? Trade schools? Judges used to give kids the option of military service or jail at the first sign of trouble. Do they still do that?

I don't think kids now how to cope or interact with other people. They spend too much time on social media and inside video games.

Maybe every school district needs a military school that trouble makers get sent to at the first sign of trouble.

Close some foreign military bases up and use that money for people and projects at home. It's been a long time since World War 2. I think Germany and Japan are safe to take care of themselves now.



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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All these gun threads. Must have been another shooting. It's typical. I'm not following the news



posted on Feb, 21 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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Yep. And they are coming for yer guns, cause black guns don’t matter or something like that. And it isn’t the person that did the wrong thing so bringing back nut houses is right out just like we had to release them after One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest came out because they are people that have the same thoughts and desires as everyone else in wanting to go see a baseball game. Oh and the Reagan era cuts to mental health at the same time.

Same old same old really. How are you?



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