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posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: introvert

This after noting that kids need to release.

The manner can be varied, fine by me, but the premise remains the same. As long as it's healthy.


Perhaps you need to read my post again and understand what was said.




posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: introvert

I'll pass.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

BWAHHH LMAO WTH was that DB?!? That is def not a quote from anything he has ever written. But good god DB you have me rolling on the ground with that one. And to make it even better not one person mentioned that at all. Did you do that on purpose to mess with people?



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Ok, you're right. That's my bad. They didn't all come from rich parents. One thing they all DO share in common, however, is the fact that they were all mental cases that didn't receive any help for their schizo, psychotic, depression, etc issues. That's another thing parents overlook because they think their kids could never do something like this.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: introvert

I'll pass.


And I think this is a good example of why we have issues these days with kids.

People seem to be intellectually lazy, not physically lazy.

These kids do not need a hard days work. This is America. We already work our lives away.

What we need is people to be able to have a conversation without running from problems or those they disagree with.

Not to mention we need to show these kids they are loved.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education


No.

I mean stop whining and take control. Get off Facebook and get involved in your public school and policy. Stop creating a wedge between you and someone who may not think the same and create rational compromises.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: loam
"I am frustrated and I would pound you into compliance with my world view if I thought I could get away with it".


So you went too far there, demonstrating some knee jerk response of your own.

Not only is equating my language in this thread to an actual threat of violence patently ridiculous, but you added an additional element by assuming I'd jump at the chance "if I thought I could get away with it".

Why would that be? Because I'm male? White? Straight?

Follow my point?

Moreover, the 'your side' language completely mistakes the camp I'm actually in, which is to say that rather than running around and assigning a presumption of ill intent based upon what 'class' you might be in, maybe we'd be better off dropping the whole identity narrative altogether and judge ALL people by their actions and not their biology or social grouping.

Otherwise, there is much we agree on in your post.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: vinifalou

Absolutely.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education


No.

I mean stop whining and take control. Get off Facebook and get involved in your public school and policy. Stop creating a wedge between you and someone who may not think the same and create rational compromises.


I've found that "getting involved in your public school" does not in fact create a circumstance where rational compromise is possible. Public schools are indoctrination machines, and the much of the staff, administration and even those on school boards are developmentally stuck at about 15. They highly resent any outside opinions that differ with their own and use the system to shut them down very quickly. And god help you if you try calling them on their juvenile bull$hit. They'll try to take your kids.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education


No.

I mean stop whining and take control. Get off Facebook and get involved in your public school and policy. Stop creating a wedge between you and someone who may not think the same and create rational compromises.
no just get rid of the problem and what doesn't work
There is no reason to keep kicking the dead horse. It simply cannot be ridden. You said take responsibility but the pointed in the direction of irresponsible accountability to a teachers union that poses as authority



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: redhorse

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education


No.

I mean stop whining and take control. Get off Facebook and get involved in your public school and policy. Stop creating a wedge between you and someone who may not think the same and create rational compromises.


I've found that "getting involved in your public school" does not in fact create a circumstance where rational compromise is possible. Public schools are indoctrination machines, and the much of the staff, administration and even those on school boards are developmentally stuck at about 15. They highly resent any outside opinions that differ with their own and use the system to shut them down very quickly. And god help you if you try calling them on their juvenile bull$hit. They'll try to take your kids.


I haven't found that. I teach youth wrestling. Literal resilience training.

I think the point of view you are projecting is a victim mentality.

How about lobby for vouchers where you can put your child in a school with your beliefs?

Or do a better job as a parent having meaningful discussions at night at the dinner table?

Or don't. Blame the left for everything. It's surely a lot easier.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: introvert

I'll keep working my boys. Also have meaningful interactions and dialogue. Also with love.


You may keep pointing fingers.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: loam
What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them?

I don't know. Why don't you ask women? We've been doing this to them through religion since, oh I dunno, forever.


You should have stopped at "oh I dunno." Women aren't degraded. They're told they're degraded by evil white Republican males. Even when Hollywood's sexual abusers, and most of the politicians that are busted sexually abusing women are democrats. It's obvious that, uh you dunno.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: loam


Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity

After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."

Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.

"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."



As a parent of a young white adolescent male, this kind of thinking makes me want to perpetrate some toxic masculinity of my own on people who subscribe to this perspective.

What could possibly go wrong with making young impressionable boys feel there is something inherently wrong with them? And let's be clear, it's not just restricted to their sex. The cultural message includes race and sexuality too.

I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been raised in today's climate.

I wonder where we will be in 10 to 15 years from now, when the current crop of 8-18 year olds reaches adulthood after an entire childhood of being told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.

Spiting nails over this repulsive nonsense.



The whole whoa as me white identy crisis is rediculous.

It's as much propaganda and irrational as safe spaces and ultra leftist propaganda.

It's snowflake syndrome. How about you fight irational behavior with sanity. Not oh i feel so sorry for myself because I am attacked for being white. Which isn't real anyway. It's a media presentation of radical idiology.

How about teaching your kid about resilience instead of feeling sorry for himself. That would be a start.

You mean, destroy public schools and homeschool your children if you want control of indoctri???, I mean, education


No.

I mean stop whining and take control. Get off Facebook and get involved in your public school and policy. Stop creating a wedge between you and someone who may not think the same and create rational compromises.
no just get rid of the problem and what doesn't work
There is no reason to keep kicking the dead horse. It simply cannot be ridden. You said take responsibility but the pointed in the direction of irresponsible accountability to a teachers union that poses as authority


Well here is the thing not everybody shares your view. Half the country identifies as liberal.

Yes unions are a problem. Same as with the police force. However, it's up to parents to educate their children as well. You have the right to put them in private schools or home school currently. A voucher program would help with the cost of private schools.

I hear a whole lot of victims here. How is that any different from those you loathe in the "indoctrination" system.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: loam
"I am frustrated and I would pound you into compliance with my world view if I thought I could get away with it".


So you went too far there, demonstrating some knee jerk response of your own.

Not only is equating my language in this thread to an actual threat of violence patently ridiculous, but you added an additional element by assuming I'd jump at the chance "if I thought I could get away with it".

Why would that be? Because I'm male? White? Straight?

Follow my point?

Moreover, the 'your side' language completely mistakes the camp I'm actually in, which is to say that rather than running around and assigning a presumption of ill intent based upon what 'class' you might be in, maybe we'd be better off dropping the whole identity narrative altogether and judge ALL people by their actions and not their biology or social grouping.

Otherwise, there is much we agree on in your post.



Pointing out where you are contributing to the problem is not a knee jerk response. It is constructive criticism, at least I intended it that way. And threatening violence, which is what you were doing, is quite reactionary. Everyone makes mistakes. You made one. I understand if you don't want to see that, and it was predictable. I am judging you certainly, but by your words, not your biology or social grouping.

On a related note, ignoring the influence of biology, on both males and females, regarding how it influences our behavior is foolish (it's one of my biggest criticisms for feminism actually). We can't just pretend that most men and boys aren't more aggressive than women or that many women don't match men for spatial intelligence (for example). When I say either one of these things, which are undeniably true, people get really, really angry. We need to stop pretending that women can be men, and men can be women. There are differences in the genders that create behavioral pitfalls and propensities (both good and bad I suppose). I don't think that's quite what you're saying here, but it seems like it might be headed that way.
edit on 20-2-2018 by redhorse because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: introvert

I'll keep working my boys. Also have meaningful interactions and dialogue. Also with love.


You may keep pointing fingers.


I'll keep loving mine and I'll let them decide what is best for themselves.

It's not my place to push them to "work", or anything else for that matter.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

The way I read it was to mean that you plug the hole to make him fight his way out and learn how to survive on his own. I 'on know.



posted on Feb, 20 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Thirty6BelowZero
OH well that does make sense when you say it like that. I had just sat down with my coffee and read that and almost dropped my coffee.




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