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originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: sapien82
You are also letting hyperbolic emotion get the better of you as well. Nobody is saying there aren't disaffected and downtrodden white males. Rather that on the aggregate there are proportionally more non-whites in those criteria than whites.
Nobody is saying to not help ALL the disaffected and downtrodden. But to assume that white males are in fact being persecuted over others is blatantly pandering to a (perceived or actual) persecution complex.
You might not have said it but you belittled the fact into non existence with your previous statement, this is partly why people wonder if they are broken, because of people like you pretending there isn't a problem.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Wayfarer
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I mean most of your reply to me was more pertinent to Sprocket!
I was arguing that yes there is a obvious difference in treatment of ethnic minorities by western society compared to the treatment of white ethnicities
that is obvious! there is no denying it, I even stated that the systems we live in are inherently racist !
however there are also racists who will blatantly disregard that white people can be oppressed simply because they are white and privileged ...
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Wayfarer
Stop trying to see emotions and try and understands what the words mean in the order they were written, there's a good chap.
That's assuming of course, you aren't trying to protect your own prejudice by deliberately avoiding engagement with what has been written.
originally posted by: loam
Are boys 'broken'? Another mass shooting renews debate on toxic masculinity
After 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz was accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school last week, comedian Michael Ian Black started a thread on Twitter that sparked a vitriolic debate about the role of gender in gun violence. It began with the tweet, "Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken."
Black's tweet has been liked nearly 65,000 times. In an interview with NPR on Sunday, he elaborated.
"I think it means that there is something going on with American men that is giving them the permission and space to commit violence," he said. "And one of the main things we focus on correctly is guns and mental health, but I think deeper than that is a problem, a crisis in masculinity."
told that if you are white, straight, and male (actually you only need to be one of the three to be demonized) there is something inherently bad about you.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Apologies if I've missed something obvious, but have there been any mass/school shootings perpetuated by females?
I don't like Mondays. Look it up
And op I don't envy any child or teen that has to navigate today's world. Been thinking about it a lot. My daughter is 5 so she is just starting. Could not imagine dealing with the social bull# of today.
www.statista.com...
I'm just reaffirming that while y'all are getting your panties in a bunch over the article, there seems to be evidence to suggest this is almost entirely a male driven issue. Has anyone actually bothered to understand what the article is saying or did your brains just shut off at the title?
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Apologies if I've missed something obvious, but have there been any mass/school shootings perpetuated by females?
I don't like Mondays. Look it up
And op I don't envy any child or teen that has to navigate today's world. Been thinking about it a lot. My daughter is 5 so she is just starting. Could not imagine dealing with the social bull# of today.
www.statista.com...
I'm just reaffirming that while y'all are getting your panties in a bunch over the article, there seems to be evidence to suggest this is almost entirely a male driven issue. Has anyone actually bothered to understand what the article is saying or did your brains just shut off at the title?
So because 93 males has committed mass shootings, ALL boys are broken?? well, 3 females has also committed mass shootings, so ALL females must be broken too...
Maybe it is just humans that are broken?
How many incidents like the florida shootings was there if you go 100 years back? or even 50? cause maybe it is our society that is broken...
But yeah, it is so much easier to just generalize and make all out to be the same. Was he a male?, check, must be a male problem then, was he white? check, oh, must be white males then, did he have ears? check, then it most be all white males with ears that is the problem in our society, NOTHING else...
Cant have anything to do with the environment around the people that commits these horrible crimes, cause our society is perfect, right?
ETA: who raises the boys? their mothers you say? hmm, i smell a conspiracy here...
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Wayfarer
Really?
That if gender itself were a big problem, then you would expect a significant percentage of all individuals of that gender to be perpetrating school shootings.
Since we do not have anywhere near a significant percentage of half the total US population committing school shootings, then you cannot reasonably conclude that one's gender itself is a real problem, let alone, that anything to do with how society raises or views that gender is also problematic.
originally posted by: amazing
When we talk about Toxic Masculinity, you're talking about that ideal of the 80s movies. Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Willis, Ford, Norris...things are changing and most of our male rolemodels, at least in movies are becoming more fully formed and realistic and flawed.
I think, if anything, Toxic Maculinity is on the decline...overall. With a few exceptions.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: TinySickTears
Hey, I'd be a wild child money blowing party animal if it wasn't for my fiance taming my wild and crazy ass 5 years ago... Same for my dad if he hadn't met my mom back in 1975. Women most definitely keep men tame, and sometimes it's the other way around, just not nearly as often.
Hmmmm.
Not me.
I'm an adult though