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Ten Things The Left Learned About Russian "Interference" This Week?

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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

1. My opinion has always been that Trump is probably just a useful idiot and didn't participate in any sort of collusion. It would be extremely foolish to rule out collusion in the case of Manafort as his emails prove fairly conclusively that he was attempting to peddle influence over Trump/his campaign/platform to his Russian pals.

Not that you care though right? The only thing that is important is saying "no collusion" over and over again. I'd argue that Donald Trump's weakness in the face of Russian interference is nearly as bad as colluding with the Russian government to get elected.

In fact, he might as well have colluded because he acts like Putin's bitch.

Also, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mueller's investigation has concluded and it has not. I'd also point out that Trump and his supporters have gone from asserting that there was no Russian interference to "there was no conclusion like we've been saying all along!" — except all along you've actually been saying there was no Russian interference and you've moved the goal posts.

I can't wait for indictments to drop in regards to the hacking.

2. Actually, they were doing both. There's direct quotes contained in the indictment that invalidate your claim.


a. On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them)."


In fact, I could post several excerpts from the indictment that directly contradict your fallacious claim and will if you need me to.

3. Nobody has been more instrumental than Donald J Trump. He could have gotten out in front of this from day one and supported investigations into Russian interference. Instead, either his fragile ego or his fear of *something* being turned up have led him to act guilty af and repeatedly lie about Russian interference in he election being a "hoax." He puts himself before the country.

4. Prove that it didn't. You can't. You can't quantify what effect Russian interference had in the election.

5. False and misleading. Misleading because nowhere in the indictment does it mention the 2014 midterms. Also misleading because the operation grew and evolved over time. False because there's nothing SOP about the what happened during the 2016 election. The influence campaign exploiting social media is new to the last election cycle. It's a new "battle front" in asymmetrical information warfare, not business as usual.

More importantly, we've never had an election in which the party and campaign chairman of one of the two major party candidate's had their emails, etc stolen and meted out in small batches over months to maximize impact. That's completely new.

6. You don't know what the word plagiarized means apparently and neither do the idiots who shill at DisinfoWhores (where you "plagiarized" that bizarrely stupid talking point).

7. You have no idea how much money was spent by the Russians to influence the election. You have only an idea what was spent to fund the Internet Research Agency which is one facet of Russian interference. How much they spent is irrelevant. That's the beauty of asymmetric warfare.

8. Yawn.

9. What does Steele have to do with last week's indictments? Nothing.

10. We'll see.




posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 01:11 AM
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It would be extremely foolish to rule out collusion in the case of Manafort as his emails prove fairly conclusively that he was attempting to peddle influence over Trump/his campaign/platform to his Russian pals.


What? You mean someone was trying to leverage their temporary position into something longer term? Color me surprised!


Not that you care though right?


Why would I care about that? If you stop moving the goal posts for thirty seconds you'll see why I don't care. (Hint: the trump campaign was supposed to have colluded with russia to steal clinton staff's emails and release them when politically expedient)


I'd argue that Donald Trump's weakness in the face of Russian interference is nearly as bad as colluding with the Russian government to get elected.


Yes, that's the left wing pivot. See the countless threads here about how republicans are now treasonous if they don't slap more sanctions on russia now. nevermind the fact that it had zero effect on the election (in other words, they failed)


In fact, he might as well have colluded because he acts like Putin's bitch.


Yes, often times, you bomb and kill nationals of the people whose bitch you are. Or increase nuclear aggression towards them. Or deliver missile sites to states that are geographically near them, against their wishes. Or you take states into your treaty organization that are strategically important to deterring your master. Yup, you nailed it!


Also, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that Mueller's investigation has concluded and it has not.


Nope, not under that impression at all. See here


II'd also point out that Trump and his supporters have gone from asserting that there was no Russian interference to "there was no conclusion like we've been saying all along!" — except all along you've actually been saying there was no Russian interference and you've moved the goal posts.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But no, the argument has never been that russia didn't attempt to interfere, it's always been that any interference was minimal and normal, just like we interfere in other elections (but they're worse at it).


I can't wait for indictments to drop in regards to the hacking.


I thought they already caught guccifer 2.0? They already killed seth rich so it'll be interesting to see who they try to nail for that. But then again podesta got phished so they can just chalk it up to that and that's almost impossible to catch.


Actually, they were doing both. There's direct quotes contained in the indictment that invalidate your claim.


If they were trying to do both, that doesn't invalidate my claim, it may invalidate part of it but it also proves part of it.


Nobody has been more instrumental than Donald J Trump. He could have gotten out in front of this from day one and supported investigations into Russian interference. Instead, either his fragile ego or his fear of *something* being turned up have led him to act guilty af and repeatedly lie about Russian interference in he election being a "hoax." He puts himself before the country.


Interesting, I didn't see trump at any "not my president" rallies.


Prove that it didn't. You can't. You can't quantify what effect Russian interference had in the election.

Rosenstein had no issue saying it had no bearing on the outcome of the election. Quit being a propaganda tool for russia.


False and misleading. Misleading because nowhere in the indictment does it mention the 2014 midterms. Also misleading because the operation grew and evolved over time. False because there's nothing SOP about the what happened during the 2016 election. The influence campaign exploiting social media is new to the last election cycle. It's a new "battle front" in asymmetrical information warfare, not business as usual.


You think the NYT moving from print to digital means they don't still write fake news? Think about it a minute, you'll get it.


More importantly, we've never had an election in which the party and campaign chairman of one of the two major party candidate's had their emails, etc stolen and meted out in small batches over months to maximize impact. That's completely new.


And that's not what the indictment shows the interference operation was.


You don't know what the word plagiarized means apparently and neither do the idiots who shill at DisinfoWhores (where you "plagiarized" that bizarrely stupid talking point).


Source ad homs really get old, learn a new trick

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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 01:31 AM
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The only thing the left learned was to not get caught next time and cheat harder.

But an A+ for optimism!



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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 03:02 AM
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all the " left " needs to do is :

find the " correct " person , ask them the " correct " question and get the " correct " answer

its not thier fault they ask the wrong people the wrong questions and get the wrong answerss



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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 04:28 AM
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And yet here we are continuing to thrive in their manufactured “discord”.

No unity, no coming together, no Americanism.

Just the same boring people throwing the same boring insults in their same boring manner. It’s a very sad and unfortunate thing.

An alternative would be to move on from all this and work together as Americans to fix our country from the inside out; not continue to point fingers and throw mud in each others faces.

An alternative would be to log off the internet and off of social media and log back into the real world.

All the time spent arguing back and forth online could be spent cleaning up trash on the highway, feeding the homeless, learning a new trade or hobby, spending more time with your family or trying something new in this very, very short life.

Instead the perpetual and never ending addiction to pounding our primitive chests online continues. Which, is exactly what the Russians wanted in the first place. The Great American Divide. The show must go on!
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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 04:28 AM
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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 04:32 AM
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Signing off on a uranuim deal with Russia that saw a YUGE chunk of U.S. uranium shipped offshore, in exchange for a very large donation into your own 'foundation' :Not Collusion

Running a campaign, and winning, while blissfully unaware that 'ze russians' had their fingers crossed for you to win. Which you did. : Total Collusion

What a mindset



posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 05:35 AM
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List of people trump attacked this weekend on Twitter in response to the Mueller indictment of thirteen Russians for elections meddling.

Obama
Clinton
The democrats
The FBI
McMaster
Adam Schiff
The fake media specifically CNN.
And that unfortunately morbidly obese individual stuck in bed with his computer again.

List of individuals trump didn't attack in response to the indictment alleging Russian interference in our elections.

Russia
Vladimir Putin


Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 05:43 AM
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A list of people responsible for helping the Russian scheme of sowing discord to work:

Obama
Clinton
The democrats
The FBI
McMaster
Adam Schiff
The fake media specifically CNN.


Who we expect to help Russia achieve their scheme's:

Russia
Vladimir Putin


"Put that in your pipe and smoke it."
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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 05:44 AM
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You're delusional.
The light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter.
Trump is not vindicated. His understanding of legal matters is pathetic considering how often he's been sued. He depends on his lawyers who are his top yes men.
This indictment does nothing to take the heat off of trump and does not address collusion in any form. It also doesn't exonerate anyone. It's an accusation not adjudication in court and doesn't exonerate anyone least of all trump who is under investigation for several things least of which is collusion.



posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Oh silly... never change!







 
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