FL Gov RICK SCOTT says FBI Director CHRIS WRAY Should Resign...But SCOTT is also Culpable.

2.17.2018

Florida Governor RICK SCOTT says that FBI Director CHRISTOPHER WRAY should resign, because so many advance warnings about the Florida high school mass murderer, Nikolas Cruz, were ignored by the agency.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott called for FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign Friday in the wake of revelations the bureau ignored a Jan. 5 tip about Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 when he opened fire on Valentine's Day.

Scott said Wray must resign, declaring that his acknowledging a mistake “isn’t going to cut it..”

“An apology will never bring these 17 Floridians back to life or comfort the families who are in pain. The families will spend a lifetime wondering how this could happen, and an apology will never give them the answers they desperately need,” he said in a statement.

“We constantly promote ‘see something, say something,’ and a courageous person did just that to the FBI. And the FBI failed to act. ‘See something, say something’ is an incredibly important tool and people must have confidence in the follow through from law enforcement. The FBI Director needs to resign.”

SOURCE: www.foxnews.com... tml

IMO, Governor Rick Scott is just as responsible for ENABLING the 17 murders, as the FBI. An 18 year old in Florida cannot buy a beer, but he/she can easily purchase powerful assault rifles.

When grilled over this illogical imbalance in Florida's law, Gov. Scott repeatedly became defensive, and never answered if he would lobby to have the age raised for purchasing guns in Florida.

So what do you think, ATS family.. Is Governor SCOTT just as responsible as FBI Director WRAY, for enabling 19 year-old Nikolas Cruz to murder 17 students at his former high-school? Perhaps both men should resign, or neither should resign. RESIGNING seems to be the "in" thing for government officials over recent months, doesn't it.

-CareWeMust

I don't hold either responsible, but if the governor is unwilling to act then he should step aside for someone that is

the fbi dropped the ball not the governor and every one everywhere can pick up a gun at 18 and a handgun at 21 . AR-15s are semi automatic and not "assault rifle" and is far from "powerful" it makes a good hunting rifle and a great defensive fire arm . How informed about guns are you actually or are you just spouting off with talking points with out knowing what the hell your talking about?

a reply to: njord

no republican is gonna be for an "assault weapons ban" (incorrect term as its not a select fire weapon) and if people think any gun control is gonna happen under trump they are deluding themselves. obama had the senate house and excutive branch and he didn't do anything about "assault weapons"

www.nytimes.com...

OVER the past two decades, the majority of Americans in a country deeply divided over gun control have coalesced behind a single proposition: The sale of assault weapons should be banned. That idea was one of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban. But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference. It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

www.latimes.com...

The problem starts with the term itself. The “assault weapons” for sale in the U.S. now aren't really weapons of war. Many people mistake these firearms for machine guns capable of shooting multiple rounds of ammunition with a single pull of the trigger. The federal government banned the sale of machine guns to civilians in 1986. (The National Rifle Assn. likes to claim that gun laws never work, but the machine gun ban has worked just fine. Such guns are almost never used in criminal activity, and none of the recent mass shootings in the U.S. involved a machine gun. The San Bernardino terrorists tried to modify one of their guns to turn it into a machine gun.) Around the same time the machine gun ban went into effect, gun makers started marketing ordinary rifles that look like military machine guns. Colt's AR-15, for example, mirrored the U.S. Armed Forces' M-16: matte black finish, lightweight materials and a pistol grip. These rifles are easy to use, even for beginners. They are accurate, have little kick and are highly customizable with add-ons such as special sights and grips. In part because of these attributes, and in part because of their sleek military styling, these guns have become hugely popular among law-abiding gun owners. As a matter of functionality, these guns are just like other rifles. They're more powerful than some handguns and rifles, and less powerful than others. They're "semiautomatic" — a technical term that applies to the way rounds are chambered, not to the way the guns shoot. Many handguns are semiautomatic too. Military-style rifles fire only one round for each pull of the trigger, just like a revolver, a shotgun, a hunting rifle or any other of the 300 million legal guns in America.

originally posted by: njord
I don't hold either responsible, but if the governor is unwilling to act then he should step aside for someone that is

I believe there's a growing consensus that the FBI did "drop the ball" by not taking the advance warnings seriously enough.

a reply to: carewemust

the police delt with the kiddo and his abusive family situation over 39 times as well

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
the fbi dropped the ball not the governor and every one everywhere can pick up a gun at 18 and a handgun at 21 . AR-15s are semi automatic and not "assault rifle" and is far from "powerful" it makes a good hunting rifle and a great defensive fire arm . How informed about guns are you actually or are you just spouting off with talking points with out knowing what the hell your talking about?

"Talking points" are all that we non-hunters have to go on. Whether they be from you, or from someone else. But I thank-you for your feedback.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: carewemust

the police delt with the kiddo and his abusive family situation over 39 times as well

Wow.. I didn't know that. I wonder how many other would-be mass murderers are in plain sight, but no action is being taken?

a reply to: carewemust

nypost.com...

Before Nikolas Cruz carried out his mass killing at a Florida high school this week, police responded to his home 39 times over a seven-year period, according to disturbing new documents. Details about the calls to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office — obtained from police records by CNN — were not immediately available and it was impossible to determine if all involved Cruz. But the nature of the emergencies at his Parkland home included “mentally ill person,” “child/elderly abuse,” “domestic disturbance” and “missing person,” KTLA reported. And a schoolmate, Brody Speno, told the network that cops were called to Cruz’s home “almost every other week.”

news.vice.com... this right here is the problem it was reported he was a risk and openly stated so and yet no one did anything

One neighbor, Rhonda Roxburgh, told the Washington Post she called the cops on Cruz after he attacked her car about four years ago, slamming his backpack into it for no apparent reason. In response, the cops stationed an officer at the intersection for “several days” to ensure he didn’t “attack or throw rocks at cars,” the paper reports. Neighbors interviewed by multiple outlets remember him as a menace to the neighborhood, telling reporters that Cruz had been caught shooting at a neighbor’s chickens, siccing his dogs on a neighbor’s pigs, stealing mail, vandalizing property, peeking in a neighbor’s windows, and trying to steal a neighbor’s bike. February 2016 CBS reported, citing an anonymous law enforcement source, that in February 2016 the Broward County Sheriff's Office was notified that Cruz had posted a picture of himself holding guns on Instagram with a caption indicating that he was going to shoot his school. Fall 2016 During the fall semester, the school found bullets in Cruz’s backpack after a fight and alerted teachers that Cruz was no longer allowed to carry a backpack to school as a safety precaution, Jim Gard, a math teacher at the school who has Cruz in his class, told reporters. “We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” Gard said. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.” Read more: How Florida students change the way we experience mass shootings Cruz was also suspended for the infraction, a 16-year-old student who knew Cruz told the Miami Herald. One student told the AP the fight was with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend, and that he had been abusive to her in their relationship. January 19, 2017 Cruz was involved in an assault at school and was suspended for one day, according to ABC, which obtained documentation. The incident also reportedly prompted the school to order a threat assessment for him. It's not clear if such an assessment was conducted. February 8, 2017 The school finally expelled Cruz for “disciplinary reasons.” His last day was Feb. 8, 2017, according to documents obtained by ABC. He bought the AR-15 used in the attack three days later. The school has not commented further on what prompted his expulsion. One student told the New York Times it was for bringing knives to school. “Her friends have said he was known to always be mentally ill and would kill animals,” the student’s mother, Amanda Samaroo, told the Times. Read more: The FBI knew Nikolas Cruz wanted to be a school shooter since a 2017 comment on a YouTube video was flagged Others said the final straw was fighting and emotional outbursts in class. Broward County Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Wednesday afternoon that the school did not have any explicit advance notice Cruz was a threat. “We received no warnings,” Runcie said. “Potentially there could have been signs out there. But we didn’t have any warning or phone calls or threats that were made.” Sept. 24, 2017 A YouTube user named Ben Bennight sent a tip to the FBI reporting that another user named “Nikolas Cruz” had commented on one of his posts, saying, "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." He told BuzzFeed News the FBI came to his office to interview him the next day but that he did not hear from them again until a few hours after the shooting, when they called back asking for more information. Both times agents wanted to know if he knew anything about Cruz, which he says he did not. Read more: “I don’t want your condolences”: Stoneman Douglas students demand action from Trump and Congress The FBI has confirmed it received the tip but says it was unable to follow up at the time, because "no other information was included in the comment that would indicate a time, location, or true identity of the person who made the comment," special agent Robert Lasky said, despite the fact that the username contained Cruz’s real first and last name. Lasky added, "The FBI conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who made the comment." January 5, 2018 The FBI receives a tip providing "information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting," but does not investigate it. Read more: FBI admits it didn’t follow protocol after receiving tip about Parkland shooter’s “desire to kill” “Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life,” the FBI admitted in a statement. “We have determined that these protocols were not followed. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.” February 14, 2018 A school staffer saw Cruz “walking purposefully on campus,” and, knowing him to be a threat, radioed the threat, the Washington Post reports. Despite having two on-campus safety officers assigned to the school, no one was able to respond in time.

all that and nothing was done? this wasnt some one moody or grumpy venting angrily a few times this was a monster who didnt even bother hiding it

a reply to: carewemust

then if you have questions im more then happy to answer any and all

ar-15s are good in self defense,decent on deer ,feral hogs and coyotes

moose,elk and larger game should be taken with a larger caliber weapon for ethical and logical reasons(you dont hunt an elephant with a 22 as an extreme example)

the thing with Ar-15s is that they are realitivly easy to use and as long as you are semi competent with firearms the basics arent hard,push a button mag falls out ,pull charging handle round is chambered ,other more popular hunting rifles are bolt action or lever action meaning you either manually work a bolt or move a lever up and down to re-chamber a round

most semi automatic fire arms work in this fashon i have a mossberg 22 that looks and functions excatly like a ar-15 and because of its "features" it could in theory be labled under a unlikely future "assault weapons ban"

baring a few rare examples the first real assault rifle was the sturmgewehr 44 firing an intermediate cartridge from a box magazine although some incorectly label the MonDragon rifle made by mexico as the first one

en.wikipedia.org... the early grand daddy of what would become the modern real assult rifle

en.wikipedia.org... they had bolt semi and a few rare examples of fully automatic

en.wikipedia.org... this is a rifle from the late 1700s that had pretty much all of the makings of being an assault rifle back in the day ,it had a detachable stock(the air tank) high capacity for its time (hell it holds more then some states allow today) at 21 rounds with one in the chamber. whats missing is a detachable magazine all from the time of the founders and being an air gun of .46 caliber it was almost silent and scared the bejesus out of the natives that were shown it on the Lewis and Clarke expedition

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas
no republican is gonna be for an "assault weapons ban"

there are levels of action available
non-action should be considered unacceptable

originally posted by: carewemust
I believe there's a growing consensus that the FBI did "drop the ball" by not taking the advance warnings seriously enough.

I would hope the FBI director has better things to do than decide what to do with a problem child. there probably was more that could have been done, but it's not really fair to blame him for existing policy. he should be held accountable for making the necessary changes, just like the governor.

No one is responsible but the 19 year older. At the age of 18, one is an adult, at least that was my upbringing.

a reply to: njord

he was reported to the FBI not the govenor for saying he wanted to be the next school shooter, they can track down russian bot accounts but not a kid who used his own name to say he wanted to shoot up a school.just be happy those that choose to do school shootings aren't starting fires beforehand, using chemical gas (chlorine is simple to make and use let alone jars of pest spray) or dropping mines in avenue of escape or other explosives .before brevick from norway the worst school shooting/murder spree was done by a teacher who set fire to the school shot at students and then blew a portion of the school up evil finds a way

and less then 400 people a year a killed with rifles of any type let alone "assault rifles" and in the 21st century less then 250 have been killed in school shootings in usa (215 not counting 2018) there are over 315 million guns in the united states and over 2trillion rounds of ammo how to do suggest going about putting that genie back in the bottle,let alone with out violating the constitution which says we have a right to bear arms the ar-15 is the musket of its day ,i can reload my revolvers with speed loaders in 5 seconds and im not even what most would consider a pro, i have a ancient lever action that holds 10 and can be reloaded with tube loaders in 7 seconds and emptied faster then most people can empty an ar-15 ,hell i used to have a crank fired gorunov on a carriage that using civil war tech could empty its 250-500 round belt in under a minute (sure was a waste of ammo though) www.youtube.com... look at this guy using cowboy tech

guns in America aren't going anywhere any time soon nor should they,they got us our independence helped us for right or wrong take this country and are ingraned in our culture as much as apple pie,the swiss have fully automatic weapons in there homes and they dont have this problem perhaps looking into whats really causing all the new trend of mass shootings would be better time spent then blaming items them selves

This gets into gun debate territory. I will say that I don't agree that the governor is just as responsible. Guns are available and if a criminal is intent on perpetrating a crime, they will find a way to get a gun. Right? Isn't Chicago a gun-free zone, yet has the highest number shootings each month?

The FBI completely failed on this one. I can't understand those who are saying "what did you expect the FBI to do?" and "do you want them to be the thought ploice?" The FBI had the info, they should have acted. What the hell else are we paying them for?! I don't for one minute buy that they couldn't trace his comments online back to him. Bullshat. They can use unproved allegations to spy on American citizens (Trump campaigners) but they can't follow up on real danger? Think of all the ways our liberties have been stepped on in the name of "national security." But conveniently when they drop the ball, all of a sudden the FBI has completely white gloves in not interfering.

There are plenty of ways they could have followed up on those tips about Cruz without violating his privacy or doing anything questionable.

I don't see how the governor is just as responsible as the FBI.

BS. We cant be willing to stuff a rifle in someones hands then send them off to use that rifle to police foreigners, but deny them gun ownership at home. The logic present in such a notion is so incongruous that it makes me woozy.

a reply to: carewemust


The fact is, the FBI dropped the ball on the Chelsea bomber Ahmad Khan Rahimi. His father says he warned the FBI about him before the attacks but ​his caution went unheeded. "​Mohammed Rahami said he told the FBI in 2014 that he was worried his son might have been radicalized. "After two months, they say, 'Your son is not doing any act like a terrorist,'" Rahimi. said "I said, 'You sure he not doing anything?' He say, 'Yeah, is good news ..."

Boston bombers, the FBI drops the ball as well:

Apr 24, 2013 - Soon after authorities identified the two suspects, it was revealed that a foreign government — now known to be Russia — had asked the FBI in 2011 for information about any potential links between Tamerlan and terrorist groups. The FBI said it had checked up on Tamerlan and found nothing alarming, ...

The FBI needs to quit playing politics and start playing investigating on things that matter, like out safety and well being.

Go ahead, pass your laws.

MY COLD DEAD FINGERS.

Floridians Tell Politicians Who Do The NRA’s Bidding Their Time Is Up

Something may be going on in the heart of America. Has this murder finally the one that stirs the people to challenge the politicians?


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Something powerful is happening in Florida.

For the third straight day following a school shooting that left 17 dead and more than a dozen injured, community members gathered to demand gun control. And for those politicians who are in the pocket of the National Rifle Association, the people had another message: Be scared.

On Saturday, more than a thousand Floridians swarmed around the federal courthouse in Fort Lauderdale to make their voices heard, refusing to let the shooting in Parkland fade into memory. Speakers included students, teachers and activists. The rally was sponsored by Moms Demand Action, the Broward Teachers Union, the League of Women Voters and other groups.

Delaney Tarr, a 17-year-old student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, used to worry about tests. Now she worries about being shot.
“My main concerns are funerals, gun control and whether or not I’m going to be shot wherever I go,” Tarr said. “My innocence ― our innocence ― has been taken from us. I’m 17, but in a matter of days have aged decades.”
The gunman “slaughtered 17 of my people,” Tarr said. She’s asking for gun control so it doesn’t happen again.
“Because of these gun laws, people I love have died,” she said. “Where’s the common sense in that? People are dying every day.”
Another Stoneman Douglas High student, Emma Gonzalez, delivered a passionate and heartbreaking message to President Donald Trump.


“If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should have never have happened, and maintains telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, I’m going to happily ask him how much money he received from the National Rifle Association,” Gonzalez said.
After the shooting, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) stuck with offering “thoughts and prayers.” They both have “A+” ratings from the NRA, and have been endorsed by the gun lobby during their campaign runs.
“Vote them out! Vote them out!” Saturday’s crowd chanted at one point in reference to Scott and Rubio.