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"There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this"

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.

There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?


Nope, it based solely on ideology. With an overabundance of left-leaning, very few right wing and even fewer middle of the road mainstream websites, it's no wonder the world believes the US is gradually sliding into a socialist state (yes, the Democrats are socialists)... Here's a poll that looked into that fact.

Pew research into ideological preference of mainstream media website viewers
edit on 18-2-2018 by eNaR because: ....added one key word.... you'll have to figure out which word that was...




posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: eNaR

Agreed

Japan had similar issues with "Democrats" and their mob-rule democracy/socialism/communist apologists.



There is no "collusion" though. If they would've attempted to remove Trump using the BS logic they charged these Ruskies with, it'd have started an immediate civil war (99% likelihood IMHO). Hey at least the petty politicking would be over, for better or worse.
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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: soundguy


You're a dishonest poster. And not a very intelligent one at that.

I did not quote any news article. I quoted the INDICTMENT from Mueller (his own words), and CONSPIRACY INSTRUCTIONS from the US DOJ.

Nice try, but liars like yourself never prosper.



Take a look at the conspiracy instructions for a federal conspiracy prosecution: www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...

Now tell me how Mueller's statement RE: Trump doesn't virtually preclude any such prosecution.

I ask again, why bother including that paragraph at all? Why would Mueller give Trump's defense team any ammo? He wouldn't. That isn't realistic. This isn't a reality TV show, where each side carefully maneuvuers into little concessions. Reality: federal prosecutors "run the train" over those they pursue, if he had evidence Trump was guilty of a crime he would pursue it relentlessly. The one thing they wouldn't do is include several statements + an entire paragraph to explaining that no Americans or no person from the Trump/camp was involved in the unlawful conspiracy against the United States. That would be moronic and make it extremely difficult to prosecute future conspiracy charges unless some new and credible evidence emerges - in which case, I return to the original question: "Why include any statement about him/Americans at all?"


What else you got? Because so far, I'm not impressed. Actually your rebuttals are ineffective, weak and pathetic. Sounds typical for you though.


Can't win a debate/argument without pulling a bunch of made up information out of your ass, can you? You realize that is the sign of a weak mind, right?
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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: soundguy
I have to lol at the desperation the rwnj’s are displaying lately. Resorting to an OPINION piece by a well know right conservative as their proof. I guess any lie is good enough as long as it reinforces the mouth breather mentality.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: JBurns


WOAH

I thought the source/motivations didn't matter?

Isn't that what all of Hillary's cultists (like yourself) said about the dirty debunked dossier? Of course it is.

Another hypocrite leftist folks. And they wonder why nobody will vote for their ridiculous ideology and historically unpopular political positions.

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: talisman

All of those points are invalid. First, his nationality does not matter. He is in this country legally, and has presumably declared the nature of his business here (private investigator). Second, as far as we can tell, Steele made no attempt to influence the election. He was hired to do a particular job, and did it. Finally, because he was acting as a private citizen on openly declared business, he was not a foreign agent and therefore did not need to register as one. Your source is worthless.


That is incorrect. We know he didn't like Trump and didn't want him elected. We also know he lied to the FBI about talking to the media. We also know that the DNC used Russian information to "influence the election" that they "colluded" with this information. We also know that Steele was paid, he got money.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy


That much is obvious, given how far their head is buried in the sand.

Who cares, let their rapidly diminishing numbers continue to squawk and screech about "collusion" and show us how bitter they are for LOSING the election so bad. Bitter Clingers, as Obama would call 'em. If you recall, this is most likely why we defeated them in 2016 and it is why we'll destroy them in 2018/2020. After we're done with them, "Democrat" will be a swear word and their party will control thick-urban areas only


Declare victory folks, and move on. The Dems were defeated last November. Everything since has been semantic arguments with a dull, worn out and defeated ideology of amoral corruption and societal mismanagement - AKA the Democrats.

Fear not conservatives, we're winning. Otherwise the hysterical and overly emotional left wouldn't be behaving so poorly.

Just remember, argue with them for fun. Argue with them to make a point. But don't argue with them because you think we need them/their support - we don't.

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: talisman


That is incorrect. We know he didn't like Trump and didn't want him elected. We also know he lied to the FBI about talking to the media. We also know that the DNC used Russian information to "influence the election" that they "colluded" with this information. We also know that Steele was paid, he got money.


Irrelevant. He was not acting on behalf of a foreign government. He did not lie to the FBI. The DNC did not use the dossier, so it is completely irrelevant. Trumpsters are grasping at straws. You should be encouraging Trump to resign before he risks jail time. (Read the indictment, note the names of the banks.)



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

This is not the Mud Pit.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: DJW001


Yes. He did.

He colluded with Russians, while Hillary colluded with BRITISH and RUSSIANS

ALL FOREIGN MEDDLING/INFLUENCE/INTERFERENCE/LOBBYING/MONEY must be purged from this nation's politics

ALL Russian influence
ALL despicable British influence
ALL unwanted EU influence
ALL German influence
ALL Soros interference
ALL propaganda from our own government/ ""allies""

We need to purge ALL FOREIGN influence/opinions/etc from our politics.

Every. Single. Last. FOREIGNER needs to butt out of our politics. Period. NO FOREIGNER's influence is wanted/needed. They need to worry about their own sh##hole countries instead of interfering in ours. Russia included. Britain included. ALL FOREIGNERS included - including Canada/Mexico/etc

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: DJW001


Revised. I'll remove it. My apologies.

Many replies by you leftists toward me should've also been told that. But since they weren't, enjoy my response in-kind.

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: DJW001


Yes. He did.

He colluded with Russians, while Hillary colluded with BRITISH and RUSSIANS


Steele USED Russians. Steele was not acting as a British agent. Manafort, Papadopoulos, and others were acting as agents of the Russian government. See the difference?



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: JBurns


вы были предупреждены.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

It doesn't matter. ALL FOREIGNERS and FOREIGN (ALIEN) influences is unwanted/undesired.

Why should ANY non-American get involved with our politics and spread their non-voting opinion to influence our votes (the one's that matter here)?



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: DJW001


You brought up a valid point. I modified my post.

My apologies DWJ, although I'm fairly certain you don't want an apology





posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: JBurns


вы были предупреждены.


Cyrillic ?

EDIT: ah, it is Russian language
Is it bad I had to Google each character until one came up and said "Russian language help"

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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

That's not a news report.
It's an opinion piece.
Don't you ever look at these things?



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: talisman


That is incorrect. We know he didn't like Trump and didn't want him elected. We also know he lied to the FBI about talking to the media. We also know that the DNC used Russian information to "influence the election" that they "colluded" with this information. We also know that Steele was paid, he got money.


Irrelevant. He was not acting on behalf of a foreign government. He did not lie to the FBI. The DNC did not use the dossier, so it is completely irrelevant. Trumpsters are grasping at straws. You should be encouraging Trump to resign before he risks jail time. (Read the indictment, note the names of the banks.)


The fact that he "colluded" with Russian information and that he himself was trying to not get Trump elected is enough.
Yes he did in fact talk to the media, The Washington Post, CNN all had spoken with him. Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source ..... “as the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.” as per House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

He was a foreigner who tried to use his influence to not get Trump elected, he was paid by Hillary's DNC, and he lied to the FBI.

All of the above means there should be a Special Counsel investigation into such, to see just how much Russian influence effected the DNC and the FBI and how to prevent such in the future.
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posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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I'm just saying that if we're going to punish Russians for abusing free speech/political issues, then we must punish all foreigners that attempt to interject their irrelevant opinions into our domestic matters to influence our votes.

And this runs the gamut. Not just our elections, but our domestic issues. I don't want to hear foreigners attempting to influence/infringe on our gun rights, our free speech (that those Nazi's wrongly call "hate speech"). I don't want to hear foreign criticism or influence as it pertains to our global military force/global military operations, either.

Any and all foreign influence should be called out, and prosecuted ideally.

After all, working on behalf of a foreign government is NOT a requirement to perpetrate a fraud on the American people - exactly what these Russian citizens are accused of doing.

Steele is guilty of perpetrating a fraud on the United States, with the intent to influence/meddle in our election. He likely used SKILLS acquired from the British government, thereby making them liable.

Not only should we use military force up to and including total destruction to COUNTER Russian threats, but we should use military force up to and including total destruction to COUNTER British threats, EU threats, Canadian threats, Mexican threats, and ALL other alien nations that want to meddle in our domestic affairs.

They ALL need to butt-out and go back to worrying about the country they belong in - their own.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

It didn't say they merely attempted to contact trumps people.
It says they were unwitting participants.

Until we find the payoff and the link that is.
Who knows what Mueller has.
He surprised us....again.
He keeps rolling out the gems and you still think he's got nothing.

Oh what an awakening you're in for.
Open your eyes.
It's right in front of you.



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: JBurns

That's not a news report.
It's an opinion piece.
Don't you ever look at these things?



No, it isn't

It is the same DIRECT COPY/PASTE from the indictment/US federal conspiracy instructions from a .GOV domain.

You know, the EXACT same information you've been running from/cowering at the very sight of.

Remember when you asked me to show you IN THE INDICTMENT where it said Trump wasn't knowingly involved in a conspiracy? Remember that? Well, I did.

Then I showed you FROM A .GOV WEBSITE exactly WHY he can't be charged with conspiracy now.

You, however, have disputed/deflected/deceived - but it still didn't get you off the hook.


[snipped]
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