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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Greven
I'm advocating the President follow his duty. He doesn't get to decide what laws he follows. He executes the laws.
Like immigration laws?
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Greven
Chalk me up as another. What's this Constitutional duty he's supposed to perform? Kowtow to the "loyal" opposition, and slap sanctions on a country that hasn't been proven to have done anything wrong, only accused?
So, what's the duty, again?
It's been repeated in the thread three times now.
Simply put, the Constitution requires that the President faithfully execute laws. You know - the 'Execut'-ive branch.
President Trump is refusing to execute the law that puts sanctions on Russia, in violation of his duty under the Constitution.
Obama failed to execute laws when he disagreed with them and even wrote an unconstitutional EO in order to attempt to refuse to execute those laws. DACA was an unconstitutional attempt to refuse to execute the law of the land in regards to deporting noncitizens. I guess you really were up in arms when he did that. No?
Yes, I was, though perhaps I didn't post much about that here.
Please answer the simple question, now that your deflection is moot.
I already did. Presidents have done so in the past and for good reason.
So your answer is that the Constitution of the United States of America is wrong?
Was Theodore Roosevelt wrong when he went beyond his constitutional rights?
Assuming he went beyond his constitutional rights, then yes he was.
The United States of America is a nation of laws, not feelings.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Khaleesi
Where he overreached, he violated his duty to the Constitution.
You did not answer my question with a "yes" or a "no" but a deflective "other people did it." I've answered repeatedly your deflective questions.
Answer my question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No.
Oh FFS I already answered yes and you even quoted me answering yes. Can you not read? YES there are times when, in the best interest of the country a president must look at what is right vs wrong, not what the law is.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Khaleesi
Where he overreached, he violated his duty to the Constitution.
You did not answer my question with a "yes" or a "no" but a deflective "other people did it." I've answered repeatedly your deflective questions.
Answer my question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No.
Oh FFS I already answered yes and you even quoted me answering yes. Can you not read? YES there are times when, in the best interest of the country a president must look at what is right vs wrong, not what the law is.
My apologies; you are correct - this thread has moved rather quickly.
You are the only one yet to answer, and your answer is that you think it is okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his Constitutional duty.
I disagree.
originally posted by: JinMI
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Greven
Chalk me up as another. What's this Constitutional duty he's supposed to perform? Kowtow to the "loyal" opposition, and slap sanctions on a country that hasn't been proven to have done anything wrong, only accused?
So, what's the duty, again?
It's been repeated in the thread three times now.
Simply put, the Constitution requires that the President faithfully execute laws. You know - the 'Execut'-ive branch.
President Trump is refusing to execute the law that puts sanctions on Russia, in violation of his duty under the Constitution.
Obama failed to execute laws when he disagreed with them and even wrote an unconstitutional EO in order to attempt to refuse to execute those laws. DACA was an unconstitutional attempt to refuse to execute the law of the land in regards to deporting noncitizens. I guess you really were up in arms when he did that. No?
Yes, I was, though perhaps I didn't post much about that here.
Please answer the simple question, now that your deflection is moot.
I already did. Presidents have done so in the past and for good reason.
So your answer is that the Constitution of the United States of America is wrong?
Was Theodore Roosevelt wrong when he went beyond his constitutional rights?
Assuming he went beyond his constitutional rights, then yes he was.
The United States of America is a nation of laws, not feelings.
A quick peruse through any media publication would determine that to be a false statement.
Sad but true.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Khaleesi
Where he overreached, he violated his duty to the Constitution.
You did not answer my question with a "yes" or a "no" but a deflective "other people did it." I've answered repeatedly your deflective questions.
Answer my question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No.
Oh FFS I already answered yes and you even quoted me answering yes. Can you not read? YES there are times when, in the best interest of the country a president must look at what is right vs wrong, not what the law is.
My apologies; you are correct - this thread has moved rather quickly.
You are the only one yet to answer, and your answer is that you think it is okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his Constitutional duty.
I disagree.
There are times when the law is wrong. In some instances the president has a moral obligation to disobey the law.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Khaleesi
Where he overreached, he violated his duty to the Constitution.
You did not answer my question with a "yes" or a "no" but a deflective "other people did it." I've answered repeatedly your deflective questions.
Answer my question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No.
Oh FFS I already answered yes and you even quoted me answering yes. Can you not read? YES there are times when, in the best interest of the country a president must look at what is right vs wrong, not what the law is.
My apologies; you are correct - this thread has moved rather quickly.
You are the only one yet to answer, and your answer is that you think it is okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his Constitutional duty.
I disagree.
There are times when the law is wrong. In some instances the president has a moral obligation to disobey the law.
You advocate for a nation where laws are malleable for those with whom you agree.
That is dangerous territory.
originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: DBCowboy
but, you'd at least increase you defense and you'd strengthen your voting poll.
trump has done nothing but worry about himself. nada.
i'm sure putin wouldn't be that dumb.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Greven
OK, first explain who we are sanctioning and why?
Remember these are 13 Russian citizens and not the Russian government as a whole according to the indictments.
So, are you in favor of sanctioning an entire country for what some of its citizens did on social media?
I indulged your question and you wish to further evade the simple question I've asked instead in hopes of getting away from the answer which is already given by the Constitution of the United States of America.
No more deflections.
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
"Yes" or "No."
What was Obama's constitutional duty in regards to DACA? He did not have the constitutional right to write an EO establishing DACA. Will you vilify him for doing so? Basically, if you can not admit that Obama stepped WAAAAAAY out of bounds when he did that, you have no moral high ground.
Yet another challenger who cannot answer a yes/no question, but wishes instead to deflect to Obama under the mistaken assumption that I am a Democrat.
I've already answered that when ketsuko tried to deflect. Read the thread. So many are not doing that.
Then answer the question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No
Yes and by your logic Obama should have been impeached for failure to do so.
Perhaps so, but it's a bit late for that.
Answer the question. Yes or No.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Greven
Then why is illegal immigration a problem? Why did the government bailout corporations with taxpayer dollars? Why does the FED get a license to print (launder) money?
I get what your saying and the premise of it. The application however falls woefully short of the reality.
You do realize that there are already gun laws on the books? Take the gun out of the equation. Murder is still illegal and that happened and still happens.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: Khaleesi
originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Khaleesi
Where he overreached, he violated his duty to the Constitution.
You did not answer my question with a "yes" or a "no" but a deflective "other people did it." I've answered repeatedly your deflective questions.
Answer my question:
"Is it okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his or her Constitutional duty?"
Yes or No.
Oh FFS I already answered yes and you even quoted me answering yes. Can you not read? YES there are times when, in the best interest of the country a president must look at what is right vs wrong, not what the law is.
My apologies; you are correct - this thread has moved rather quickly.
You are the only one yet to answer, and your answer is that you think it is okay for the President of the United States of America to disobey his Constitutional duty.
I disagree.
There are times when the law is wrong. In some instances the president has a moral obligation to disobey the law.
You advocate for a nation where laws are malleable for those with whom you agree.
That is dangerous territory.
No I do not. Do not put words in my mouth. Your type of thinking is what leads to a defense of "Just following orders." Laws are not always right or just.