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FBI admits it did not follow up on second tip regarding School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: matafuchs

Seriously though, what could of the fbi actually done?

The kid lived in a state, which has ridiculously lax gun control policies... and as far as I know he hadn't actually committed a crime, until the mass shooting.

Its not like they could have legally just rocked up to his house and said "we heard a rumour you were full blown cray... so we're gonna take your guns and lock you away indefinitely, just in case the rumours prove to be true" .


IDK about you but if I was considering doing something nefarious and the FBI came knocking on my door asking about stuff I certainly would think twice.

Maybe just the thought that he was on the FBI's radar might have changed his mind.


Yeah sure, if you were planning a bank robbery, or even a drug deal, which involved a 'commercial trafficking' quantity of drugs... then of course most 'normal' people would think twice... even if it was just the local police who knocked on their door, let alone the fbi.

But a high school shooting massacre is whole other realm... I highly doubt the people who end up doing that kind of crime are even capable of the frame of mind, which would make them stop and consider their future prospects...




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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In the FBI s defense. Trust me I do not want to defend them at all. But they must get 1000s of reports of kids that they are afraid will shoot up a school.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Come on people.

Gotta give the FBI a break.

I mean they've been Russian snipe hunting for the last year and finally caught 13 scapegoats.

But then again.

Not really the FBI's job for local issues.


Social media utilizes interstate communications. That is regulated by federal oversight. Maybe interstate commerce clause.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If Florida would get distribution going this kid could have had an edible gummy that morning and this could have been prevented.

As another poster said the calls to the police were from the mother, adoptive, who was in her 60's. He also had a brother I heard but have seen nothing else about it.

Fact is school knew. Kids knew. Local Police knew. If the FBI would have followed up and had seen how many times they had been out they might have done something different.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1
In the FBI s defense. Trust me I do not want to defend them at all. But they must get 1000s of reports of kids that they are afraid will shoot up a school.



Pure conjecture and speculation. Peeves me to see so many making excuses for what appears, in my estimation, to be just plain sloppy performance on their part.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

Yes, but like I stated a phone call would have shown a pattern. A call to the school were he was restricted. Interview a few schoolmates, like the second person in January, and an investigation could begin.

This was not your average whiny SJW seeking attention. This kid had history.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

If they had entered his name into the database, the first report of the online threat about becoming a professional school shooter would have come up. It's not hard to enter a name and run a check. Epic failure.

They could have interviewed him and charged him with online threats or at least put a scare in him. It could/would have changed everything and prevented this.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

This isn't the first time the FBI or law enforcement has dropped the ball. If I recall, there have been other shootings where the FBI and law enforcement had concerns about the individual who ended up committing a shooting. However, it seems in this case, there were a lot of red flags that should have sounded alarms. Even the people who gave this young man a place to stay thought nothing about him owning an AR-15 and other guns. Sorry, but just knowing someone was expelled from high school because of his behavior or being caught with a weapon, would have raised enough concerns seeing he also owned a locker of guns! That alone would have made me deny him staying in my home.

Unfortunately, our laws prevent law enforcement from taking any action on a suspect until they break a law or in this case carry out their sick deed. In some cases the mentally ill have specific rights. Our laws protect the Criminals and the mentally ill more than they do the victim(s).



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: matafuchs

Seriously though, what could of the fbi actually done? .


JesusH, there is a lot they could have done without locking him up for "thought crimes."

Get a couple of agents to talk to this apparently very suggestible person, that alone may have scared him into thinking twice.

And they could have put a couple of agents on duty following him everywhere, either surreptitiously or out in the open.

And I'm certain that folks who actually do law enforcement as their CAREER probably could come up with a few solutions that were completely inside the law yet sent a message to him or maybe caught him in the run-up to the shooting.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

The governor of Florida...Rick Scott is demanding that FBI's Wray resigns over this failure.
twitter.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

He's right.

It always needs to start at the top.

Any agent who touched the complaint and didn't act needs removal.

In fact, the whole FBI needs removal.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: EchoesInTime

He's right.

It always needs to start at the top.

Any agent who touched the complaint and didn't act needs removal.

In fact, the whole FBI needs removal.

I agree.
ANYONE in law enforcement that had access to this information and did nothing needs to go.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl




JesusH, there is a lot they could have done without locking him up for "thought crimes."

Don't forget as we here all have learned LYING TO THE FBI IS A CRIME JUST ASK GENERAL FLYNN.
All they had to do was ask the kid if he made the threat and if he lied they could put him away.

There is alot they could have done.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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Half the people here sound like perfect candidates to be harassed by the fbi... going by what some claim to be justified in this thread.


"The dude owns a arsenal of weapons, believes in aliens and is prone to unleashing irrational hate speech against liberals... he's obviously on the verge and needs to be investigated"... Right?



How much personal freedom and right not to be unfairly harassed are people willing to sacrifice? In order to allow the authorities to aggressively investigate everyone rumoured to be NQR!?!
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: matafuchs

Seriously though, what could of the fbi actually done?

The kid lived in a state, which has ridiculously lax gun control policies... and as far as I know he hadn't actually committed a crime, until the mass shooting.

Its not like they could have legally just rocked up to his house and said "we heard a rumour you were full blown cray... so we're gonna take your guns and lock you away indefinitely, just in case the rumours prove to be true" .

They could have put him on a watch list or maybe even haul him in on suspicion. Maybe they could have given him a taste of real life consequences should he go through with something like shooting up a crowd. I'm sure the FBI, at least in their honorable days, would have been able to have some kind of effect.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

Pulse shooting in Florida was one. He was interviewed twice. San Bernadino. Boston City Bombing. Charleston Shooting. Ft Hood shooting. There was even a shooting in 2016 in Mew Mexico. Kid was reported for making threats just like Cruz. FBI dropped the ball each time.

Someone want to tell me that 'the fix is not in'. I think these incidents were already in play because they were expecting HRC and a gun grab. The final step. Now instead they are using it to try to hurt the Trump administration. The media is blaming him.

If we have learned anything in the last 18 months it is that the FBI is not a separate entity but a political arm.
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

If the police were called to your house over 30 times, you were expelled for beating up a girl and you posted dead animals on Instagram with gun pics and crazy killing rants....you warrant a visit from Law Enforcement. He could have been Baker Acted in Florida and then observed for 72 hours. They would see he was off meds and try to get him some help. ANYTHING .....rather than oops we #ed up and 17 kids are dead. Let that sink in....17 kids.

Instead, people have been programmed to not point out the odd but the ordinary. Women in pussy hats can yell and abuse normal citizens but it is not the harassed citizen who get the mike to talk it is the weirdos.

The US has been conditioned for this.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Says the monkey posing with a rifle!


Just messin' with ya, good comment...



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime
Correct, it is also being repeated on our local news. Hopefully public outrage will make it happen.
Go v. Scott calls for FBI director’s resignation; Sessions orders review



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: PraetorianAZ

The FBI cannot be used to harass people, just in case.

Many of you in this thread seem to forget that law enforcement is there to enforce laws. Yes, I do think that the FBI could have done some sort of investigation into this kid and probably have gotten a warrant to monitor his social media, but short of that, they cannot just intimidate people based on rumors and nonspecific comments on YouTube.

The FBI certainly holds a bit of culpability in their decision not to do anything, but what most people on here are proposing should have been done couldn't have been done, at least not without some more evidence. I think that YouTube erred in deleting the comment from him. I assume that they have a way to retrieve the original comment, but I don't think that it even got that far.

The FBI should have investigated further, but there is no guarantee that this would have deterred the shooter. Hell, it may have caused him to act sooner knowing that he was under investigation. We can't play the what-if game with any certainty, so it's almost pointless.



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