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You seem adamant that banning AW's won't do a thing.
Again, I can understand that you could be right, but it seems like you can't concede that I may also be right.
I didn't say there was zero fluctuation, I said there was little to no statistical impact.
you still have not answered the relevance question.
point is that he was in a mental health place and may have been committed and if so the nics system should have caught him.
You really need some tact bro.
Be yourself is all that you can do though.
Whether he was committed or not is irrelevant. He wasn't adjudicated as mentally incompetent to the point of not being able to purchase a firearm, which is the only thing that NICS looks for.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo
Funny that the murder rate actually dropped after Chicago passed their first piece of gun legislation.
No it didn't.
It took nearly 20 years for the homicide number to drop below what it was in 1982 and stay below that number, which was 670. And, ironically, it's continued to go down in the years since SCOTUS struck down Chicago's ban.
Does Chicago have the strictest gun laws in the country? It did after Mayor Jane Byrne pushed through the ban on firearms not already registered with Chicago police in March 1982. The city’s ban lasted until 2010, when the Supreme Court struck it down by a majority vote of 5-4. Two years later, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago struck down as unconstitutional the state’s ban on carrying concealed firearms. In 2013, the General Assembly passed a law making Illinois the last state to grant its residents the right to concealed carry. Right now, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco have stricter gun laws on the books, experts say.
Handy little chart
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo
You seem adamant that banning AW's won't do a thing.
Am I? Can you quote me where I said that, then? I'll wait.
Again, I can understand that you could be right, but it seems like you can't concede that I may also be right.
Really? Did you miss that part where I point blank said
I didn't say there was zero fluctuation, I said there was little to no statistical impact.
That's a pretty blunt acceptance there there was a change to the numbers. It's just not a significant one.
originally posted by: GeechQuestInfo
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo
Funny that the murder rate actually dropped after Chicago passed their first piece of gun legislation.
No it didn't.
It took nearly 20 years for the homicide number to drop below what it was in 1982 and stay below that number, which was 670. And, ironically, it's continued to go down in the years since SCOTUS struck down Chicago's ban.
Does Chicago have the strictest gun laws in the country? It did after Mayor Jane Byrne pushed through the ban on firearms not already registered with Chicago police in March 1982. The city’s ban lasted until 2010, when the Supreme Court struck it down by a majority vote of 5-4. Two years later, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago struck down as unconstitutional the state’s ban on carrying concealed firearms. In 2013, the General Assembly passed a law making Illinois the last state to grant its residents the right to concealed carry. Right now, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco have stricter gun laws on the books, experts say.
Handy little chart
Do me a favor.
Count how many years had 800+ murders in the 10 years preceding the 1982 legislation.
Now count how many years have 800+ murders in the 34 years AFTER the legislation.
Forget it, I'll tell you. 8 of the 10 years prior to the legislation had 800+ murders. That's only occurred 6 times in the 34 years after the ban went into effect.
You're smart, why do you think the murders went down (in aggregate)?
Another funny anecdote, MORE legislation has been passed since 2010, and coincidentally the murders have been trending down from that point as well. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....
I didn't pull this out of my ass, I looked at the date YOU provided.
if one has been involuntarily committed to a mental health place then they can not buy weapons legally,bro.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: GeechQuestInfo
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo
Funny that the murder rate actually dropped after Chicago passed their first piece of gun legislation.
No it didn't.
It took nearly 20 years for the homicide number to drop below what it was in 1982 and stay below that number, which was 670. And, ironically, it's continued to go down in the years since SCOTUS struck down Chicago's ban.
Does Chicago have the strictest gun laws in the country? It did after Mayor Jane Byrne pushed through the ban on firearms not already registered with Chicago police in March 1982. The city’s ban lasted until 2010, when the Supreme Court struck it down by a majority vote of 5-4. Two years later, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago struck down as unconstitutional the state’s ban on carrying concealed firearms. In 2013, the General Assembly passed a law making Illinois the last state to grant its residents the right to concealed carry. Right now, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco have stricter gun laws on the books, experts say.
Handy little chart
Do me a favor.
Count how many years had 800+ murders in the 10 years preceding the 1982 legislation.
Now count how many years have 800+ murders in the 34 years AFTER the legislation.
Forget it, I'll tell you. 8 of the 10 years prior to the legislation had 800+ murders. That's only occurred 6 times in the 34 years after the ban went into effect.
You're smart, why do you think the murders went down (in aggregate)?
Another funny anecdote, MORE legislation has been passed since 2010, and coincidentally the murders have been trending down from that point as well. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....
I didn't pull this out of my ass, I looked at the date YOU provided.
Here are some stats I'd like to see...
Number wounded vs Number dead.... why? Maybe advancements in medical care are keeping people alive who otherwise would be taking a dirt nap.
Economic figures? Correlation between booming economies and lower crime rates?
Prison sentences? Any change in prison sentencing for those most likely to be involved in crime?
Here in Chicago the murder rate is not as high as it used to be... however, the Feds did make some pretty serious busts and break up of gangs in the early 90s, so that could be a factor. Not too mention a lot of the notorious hot spots of violent crime have been gentrified or torn down (i.e., Cabrini Green)>
My point is that you still have to look at the other factors in conjunction with AW bans to draw any real meaningful conclusions. Heck, I'd want to see availability of AW style rifles back in the day... meaning were AR-15s as prevalent. My gut tells me they weren't in terms of popularity. However, it doesn't mean that the gun itself is the cause... but it could explain why ARs might now be more favorable vs a pistol. With that said, we do know that the rate of fire is the same so you can't really say the AR is any more dangerous.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo
Except what you said was that the murder rate dropped after the first piece of gun legislation was passed.
It didn't.
I'm not going all over the map just because now you want to change the parameters of what you said after the fact.
yep i think we are on the same page now.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: howtonhawky
if one has been involuntarily committed to a mental health place then they can not buy weapons legally,bro.
Which means being adjudicated as mentally deficient.
Bro.