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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: kurthall
I can think of 2 off the top of my head where the guns were obtained illegally, so got a link to support your 80% claim?
I know people that hunt with an AR-15, so do you have any actual suggestions or just going to throw more emotional knee jerk stories at me?
originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: DBCowboy
Well that will be fine for the blue states as we usually find the wherewithal to fund our schools & education systems but for the red states that rely on the welfare received in federal dollars from the blue that will only exacerbate the problems in those locals.
K~
The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.
when someone talks in blue vs. red like you do i know i am getting the business.
originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: DBCowboy
Well that will be fine for the blue states as we usually find the wherewithal to fund our schools & education systems but for the red states that rely on the welfare received in federal dollars from the blue that will only exacerbate the problems in those locals.
K~
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: skunkape23
Letting kids spend hours playing video games where the main goal is to blow away as many as possible mixed with a coctail of pharmaceutical drugs could be a factor.
Just speculating.
A lack of education in gun safety could also be a factor.
Kids play violent video games ALL over the world yet mass shootings are only really a problem here. This isn't the 1990's stop blaming video games on violence.
Stop ignoring parts of the conversation that don't fit your #ing agenda. Or is this just political for you?
We cannot have a debate searching for real solutions until we all agree to be intellectually honest with each other. The media spins information to meet their political leanings as evidenced by the NBC article you referenced. One sentence gives the reason why the "Obama-era" regulation was rolled back.
The article is devoid of opposing views which is a violation of the trust we place in journalists.
The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: skunkape23
Letting kids spend hours playing video games where the main goal is to blow away as many as possible mixed with a coctail of pharmaceutical drugs could be a factor.
Just speculating.
A lack of education in gun safety could also be a factor.
Kids play violent video games ALL over the world yet mass shootings are only really a problem here. This isn't the 1990's stop blaming video games on violence.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Irishhaf
It's not about stopping all mass shootings. That is a physically impossible order to fulfill. It's about curbing the amount that happen and/or making them less dangerous overall.
For one thing, it is HIGHLY likely that the EO that Trump overturned earlier this year that prevented mentally disabled from getting guns could have been used to stop the most recent shooting down in Florida.
Florida shooting suspect bought gun legally, authorities say
The case of this kid's troubles pretty much shoots all the pro-gun talking points to #.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: DBCowboy
Well that will be fine for the blue states as we usually find the wherewithal to fund our schools & education systems but for the red states that rely on the welfare received in federal dollars from the blue that will only exacerbate the problems in those locals.
K~
Let's make something real clear; I'm looking at real, viable solutions to the problems and you're pushing a politically driven agenda.
Local districts can raise property taxes, cut superintendent pays, do whatever they need to hire instructors to teach these skills obviously lacking.
You just want to push an agenda, piss on the Constitution and have a police-state.
originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Irishhaf
Well, lets see, this kid shot up a school, with a gun he bought legelaly. Paddock bought the guns he used in the Vegas shooting, legaly, the Batman CO shooter bought his guns legaly,
There are almost 100 people dead just in those three, instances all killed by legal guns. In fact as of 2015 80% of all mass shootings were done with LEGAL guns.www.nbcnews.com...
Now look, this is just crazy 80% of shootings are done with legaly obtained weapons. Also the weapons used were not the kind that you keep in your home because you want protection. These wepons were meant to KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE......
The way gun controll is now, IS NOT WORKING....a 19 year old should not be able to buy a semi automatic meant to kill humans. 18 school shootings already this year.
I don't care what you people say, unless you have a child that you send to school, you have no idea what something like this is really like. How do you think our children feel? Mine are all grown up now, but I know what its like and I am glad they are.
Eighty-two percent of weapons involved in mass shootings over the last three decades have been bought legally, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine that defines a mass shooting as taking the lives of at least four people in a public place. Using that criteria, Mother Jones found 73 mass shootings since 1982.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: DBCowboy
Well that will be fine for the blue states as we usually find the wherewithal to fund our schools & education systems but for the red states that rely on the welfare received in federal dollars from the blue that will only exacerbate the problems in those locals.
K~
Let's make something real clear; I'm looking at real, viable solutions to the problems and you're pushing a politically driven agenda.
Local districts can raise property taxes, cut superintendent pays, do whatever they need to hire instructors to teach these skills obviously lacking.
You just want to push an agenda, piss on the Constitution and have a police-state.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Irishhaf
Well, lets see, this kid shot up a school, with a gun he bought legelaly. Paddock bought the guns he used in the Vegas shooting, legaly, the Batman CO shooter bought his guns legaly,
There are almost 100 people dead just in those three, instances all killed by legal guns. In fact as of 2015 80% of all mass shootings were done with LEGAL guns.www.nbcnews.com...
Now look, this is just crazy 80% of shootings are done with legaly obtained weapons. Also the weapons used were not the kind that you keep in your home because you want protection. These wepons were meant to KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE......
The way gun controll is now, IS NOT WORKING....a 19 year old should not be able to buy a semi automatic meant to kill humans. 18 school shootings already this year.
I don't care what you people say, unless you have a child that you send to school, you have no idea what something like this is really like. How do you think our children feel? Mine are all grown up now, but I know what its like and I am glad they are.
Some of you are so bad at math and logic that you are easily swayed by bias news articles throwing out fancy statistics to sensationalize tragedies to get an agenda passed. The data in the article can be easily picked apart if you took time to actually read it...
From the article:
Eighty-two percent of weapons involved in mass shootings over the last three decades have been bought legally, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine that defines a mass shooting as taking the lives of at least four people in a public place. Using that criteria, Mother Jones found 73 mass shootings since 1982.
As disgusting and tragic as any of these shootings are; it is not and never been a significant problem in the context of gun violence which is far and away mostly gang/criminal related and highly concentrated in black and hispanic communities.
So most data can show you that the AW Ban actually DID help these events from occurring with less frequency and with less overall death. Would you be in favor of that?