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School safety money would be slashed in Trump budget

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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wait, there's a school safety budget?

what kind of safety measures do schools have in place?




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

You're right, that was a huge mistake on my part. I edited my post to reflect the truth.

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:40 PM
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So when there’s a hurricane or natural calamity the federal government pays many of the bills. Did you know that?


This is a natural calamity as well, the assault on children and citizens of the US.


Many times federal crimes are involved

States can’t afford to deal with this themselves as they can’t deal with natural calamities by themselves.


The federal government already helps on these issues, Trump just cut that aid in true republican style

We have a national epidemic; the federal government is obligated to assist the states.



GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE of the constitution


GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: ElGoobero
why is the federal government supposed to pay for this in the first place?

schools are local and support and programs should be locally done and paid for.

show me in the Constitution where 'school safety' is a federal mandate.

States should hire armed guards for schools but there should be a strict screening process to hire only ex military or law enforcement.
I personally know 3 veterans (2 ex-Marines, 1 ex-Army), that said they would be willing to take a job as armed guards at schools if they were hiring for it.
If they are good enough to safeguard this country, they are good enough to guard schools.


And that strict screening process should apply to ex-military and law enforcement as well.

Do you really want some battle hardened, 5+ tour, PTSD ridden war veteran armed around a bunch of kids, let alone given a badge???!!

Personally, regardless of merit or record, they're should be a cutoff of no more than 2 tours of duty to qualify for law enforcement positions.

Wonder why the police are militarized? Why police are so jacked up and quick to shoot?? Quick to use excessive force and they get away with it 98% of the time???

Because there's this given that if you're ex-military you are pretty much guaranteed a position in law enforcement if all else fails. It becomes an exclusive club because of the bonds created in war....and then they bring that war to common citizens back home.



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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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One problem with security in schools is that after the intense awareness after an incident like this, overtime a laxity occurs.

I know I work in schools and see that happening.

There needs to be constant vigilance

The problem with Trump is that you can't on one hand claim mental health and security needs beefing up yet cut the meager funds the federal government provides to assist in this national emergency.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: ElGoobero
why is the federal government supposed to pay for this in the first place?

schools are local and support and programs should be locally done and paid for.

show me in the Constitution where 'school safety' is a federal mandate.

States should hire armed guards for schools but there should be a strict screening process to hire only ex military or law enforcement.
I personally know 3 veterans (2 ex-Marines, 1 ex-Army), that said they would be willing to take a job as armed guards at schools if they were hiring for it.
If they are good enough to safeguard this country, they are good enough to guard schools.


And that strict screening process should apply to ex-military and law enforcement as well.

Do you really want some battle hardened, 5+ tour, PTSD ridden war veteran armed around a bunch of kids, let alone with a badge???

Personally, regardless of merit or record, they're should be a cutoff of no more than 2 tours of duty to qualify for law enforcement positions.

Wonder why the police are militarized? Why police are so jacked up and quick to shoot?? Quick to use excessive force and they get away with it 98% of the time???

Because there's this given that if you're ex-military you are pretty much guaranteed a position in law enforcement if all else fails. It becomes an exclusive club because of the bonds created in war....and then they bring that war to common citizens back home.




Well sure, ok then.
There needs be some type of armed guards in the schools, wouldn’t you say?
Because it doesn’t do a #ing bit of good to call 911 after 20+ people have been shot and they arrive well after the fact.
Armed guards possibly could have stopped him right at the doors.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Politicizing events like this is pretty sad and low, and sadly every politician including Trump does this.

The people affected by this don't want to be on the news, they want to grieve in their losses, can you give them that respect?



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: EternalShadow

You make an excellent point. Unfortunately, some of the veterans need heavy screening.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Willtell

Politicizing events like this is pretty sad and low, and sadly every politician including Trump does this.

The people affected by this don't want to be on the news, they want to grieve in their losses, can you give them that respect?


My respect is that they want help.

Didn’t you see the lady who lost a 14 year old girl in this massacre cry out to Trump?

WE NEED HELP


PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK

WARNING Its hard to watch


SO URCE

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Also, politicizing issues a part of the system, calling politicians to account for their hypocrisy

I did the same with Obama



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Willtell

Schools should be a state and local issue.

I don't have any kids, I already pay state and local taxes for nearby schools, why should I be paying for every school in the country?


A little bit how this works in this country: When you are young and have children, your property and city "people" tax is taxed higher. When you are older, let's in your 60's and a homeowner and still work maybe part time ( people retire from companies at age 62 here) your property taxes go "DOWN", never do they go up and your city "people " tax goes way down also. An example: Our home value: $375,000.00 USA value, property tax is a bit under 900 dollars a YEAR.
Should be the same way in the States , but your city mayors, well they like to make them $600,000.00 a year incomes.
American homeowners are nothing more then tenants to the "Landlord USA Govt." and that is a fact. Isn't that called "true Socialism" ? Or is the Communism ?
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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Willtell

Politicizing events like this is pretty sad and low, and sadly every politician including Trump does this.

The people affected by this don't want to be on the news, they want to grieve in their losses, can you give them that respect?


My respect is that they want help.

Didn’t you see the lady who lost a 14 year old girl in this massacre cry out to Trump?

WE NEED HELP


Plain clothed conceal carry cops at schools. Minimum 5 per school, but that will send liberals into an goddamn frenzy.

Will that stop all school shootings? Nope. It will however minimize the impact and effectiveness of such occurrences when they happen.

What would be even better is if parents gave more of a crap. Almost every instance of a kid shooting up a school you hear about stories indicating a problem child. Parents like to give a blind eye though, and until that changes, we will see these things happen regularly



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Willtell

Politicizing events like this is pretty sad and low, and sadly every politician including Trump does this.

The people affected by this don't want to be on the news, they want to grieve in their losses, can you give them that respect?


My respect is that they want help.

Didn’t you see the lady who lost a 14 year old girl in this massacre cry out to Trump?

WE NEED HELP


PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK

WARNING Its hard to watch


SO URCE


In Japan, teachers are having sex with their students, but anyway, here is a link about American school violence.

edition.cnn.com...



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

It seems the police were out to this killer’s home 100’s of times on 911 calls about family emergencies. It’s pretty tragic



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Vector99

It seems the police were out to this killer’s home 100’s of times on 911 calls about family emergencies. It’s pretty tragic

Exactly, and most likely each time ended with the parents pleading for their kid and the kid was let off. He probably should have been locked up for a while to gain a perspective in life.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Vector99

It seems the police were out to this killer’s home 100’s of times on 911 calls about family emergencies. It’s pretty tragic


If that is the case, that puts a large damper on your entire “It’s Trump’s fault” argument.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell


Two days before the school shooting in Florida that left 17 dead, the Trump administration proposed cutting millions in federal education programs meant to help prevent crime in schools and assist them in recovery from tragedies. Funds targeted for reduction or elimination in the Trump administration's fiscal 2019 request have helped pay for counselors in schools and violence prevention programs. Such funds were used for mental health aid for students and teachers in the Newtown, Conn., school district following the deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012. When asked about the proposed cuts, Liz Hill, an Education Department spokeswoman, said the department is "committed to providing resources, direct support and technical assistance to schools who have suffered unthinkable tragedy." The budget request calls for a $25 million reduction in funds designated for national school safety activities, compared with 2017. President Donald Trump's budget would eliminate altogether a $400 million grant program that districts can use, for example, to prevent bullying or provide mental health assistance.


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A prime example of the philosophy of the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s hypocrisy.




Trump's budget would also zero out the School Emergency Response to Violence program, known as Project SERV — funded at $1 million in 2017 — that in years past provided millions in funds used by the district in Newtown. However, Hill said that the grant program's funds carry over from year to year and the department projects that a current $5.2 million balance will be sufficient to meet needs through the next fiscal year


In the light of yesterdays tragedy we must cast a light on hypocrites who talk a good game but act differently.

Also, the Trump budget cuts money for research into mental illness research


www.iflscience.com...

He spoke about mental illness and gun crime yet he cuts money for research into the subject.

Trump's 2018 Budget Cuts Funding For Cancer, Mental Health, and HIV Research

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Mental health research at the NIH would get a 20 percent cut, as would research into drug abuse prevention




Sounds like the left is behind the shooting because of the cuts.

This IS a conspiracy forum, right?




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Vector99

It seems the police were out to this killer’s home 100’s of times on 911 calls about family emergencies. It’s pretty tragic


If that is the case, that puts a large damper on your entire “It’s Trump’s fault” argument.


It would be ridiculous to say its Trumps fault, and I don’t say ridiculous things.


The point is that Trump isn’t doing enough in this national emergency when he claims we need mental health aid and better safety yet he cuts those issues in the budget.


That's not blaming him for the crime or the elements that are the etiology of the crimes. They far exceed Trump's appearance.
But he could do more is apparent.

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

give a tax break to every teacher that gets a gun, stun gun, taser, or what not. Send military.former military to train then. Beef up security with out beefing up tax dollars.

Why let people and communities do something, to many people think only the government can save them.

beef up security at the schools, then what do you do when one of these little evil *ats edit* gets on his bus and starts shooting. There are always way to kill, laws won't stop it.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

We are 20 trillion in debt. EVERY thing should have its funding reduced. It does not mean there is no money. There are reductions being made because of a bloated government.

Grants for School Safety are still readily available still.




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