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Florida shooter was white nationalist.

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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: ConstitutionalPatriot
Am I missing something here? I just read that the whole white nationalist was a fabrication. That's weird, because what are we talking about here, another made up story? Strange.


Sherriff's office ended up saying they turned up no connection to the white nationalists or that he trained with him; why hasn't this thread been moved to skunkworks?




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: trustmeimdoctor

This topic (at least me) was never saying that said groups were behind the shooting, only that he allegedly associated with it based on what the leader of the group said. which we now know was exaggerated to bring attention to this group, which is a real group with white-nationalist/white-identitarian ideology, regardless if they are 1 or 100 members

it seems as if people don't want to "politicise" things if they don't fit their narrative and stance/belief, look at all the fake Antifa stories that have appeared that people have regurgitated like blind sheep, if this was a Black, Mexican, Arab person who was responsible, can you imagine the "politicising" that would happen, from calls of deportations to lynchings etc.




Are you trying to tell me this is okay because some other people may act similar? Are you a child? Can you not see the problem with this logic. You pick out the worst things a member of a group you don't like does and think it makes it okay for you to act the same. That is complete nonsense.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: soundguy

You ignored the fact that he is hispanic... No, all hispanics are not like this murderer. I am hispanic... The idiotic LEFTWING lawyers that this murderer has are trying to use the "he is autistic, and the death of his mother has affected him greatly" as they try to stop the death penalty of this murderer...

BTW, the NAZIS and other LEFTWING dictatorships would be proud of you calling for gun control... They all did the same things you are calling for...


edit on 16-2-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Then why are guns the weapon of choice in the vast majority of these incidents? Why aren't knives the more popular weapon of choice?
knives are much more easier to conceal and don't make a noise he could have went around like a ninja and no one would have a clue of the body count in the bath rooms...good question
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:06 PM
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THis is a spread sheet I have kept for some time. THe issue is not firearms...it is drugs. Whether prescribed by a doctor or not, the issue is drugs...


*CRUZ, Nikolas 14-Feb-18 AR-15 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, Fla. pictures of dead animals… Yes. FB posting about being a 'professional school shooter' under his own name may have been taking medication... No None *Kelley, Devin Patrick 5-Nov-17 Shooting Sutherland Springs Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs, TX Yes Yes Yes Athiest “suffered from mental disorders, ran from Peak Behavioral Health Services” after discharge. parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade US Air Force bad conduct discharge from the Air Force, Courts Marshal. One year in military prison. Hodgkinson, James 14-Jun-17 Sanders supporter Yes Not reported by FBI UK UK
*Santiago-Ruiz, Esteban 7-Jan-17 Relatives said he had been receiving psychological treatment. Alaska National Guard. He received a general discharge for unsatisfactory performance
*Mateen, Omar 12-Jun-16 bipolar disorder...obsessed with researching medication online
*FAROOK, Rizwan Dec-15 devout Sunni Muslim. UK UK
*Malik, Tashfeen Dec-15 radicalized and likely inspired by foreign terrorist organizations. UK UK
*LANZA, Adam Dec-12 Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut "dynamic cocktail of psychiatric drugs" Multiple No No
*Seung-Hui Cho Apr-07 VA Tech on a prescription medication...confined briefly several years before the attack for a mental episode Not reported
*Hasan, Nidal Nov-09 Ft Hood email communications between Hasan and the Yemen-based terror organizer Anwar al-Awlaki Yes In prison
*Holmes, James Jul-12 Aurora, CO using two mind-altering psychotropic psychiatric drugs… antidepressant Sertaline, generically known as Zoloft; also on Klonopin
*WONG, Jiverly Antares Apr-09 New York immigration center UK, growing paranoia...delusional rant to the TV station saying the police were spying on him UK NO NO
*Aaron Alexis Sep-13 Navy Yard given medication to help him sleep. people were talking to him through the walls...sending microwave vibrations into his body UK Yes, former member of the Navy Reserve. UK
*Harris, Eric Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado Apr-99 prescribed antidepressant medications Luvox, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and Effexor rejected by Marine Corps recruiters No
*Klebold, Dylan Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado Apr-99 witnessed taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft. medical records remain sealed. No
*Hennard, George Luby's Caffeteria Oct-91 suffered from a paranoid personality disorder, and experts said he was at “the very border of mental illness.”
*WHITE, Kendrex J. 1-May-17 machete-like hunting knife University of Texas listed as the antidepressant Zoloft…previously involuntarily committed in another city
*MAY, Myron 20-Nov-14 UK firearm Florida State University antianxiety drug Hydroxyzine…antidepressant Wellbutrin, ADHD drug Vyvanse, antipsychotic Seroquel
*YABARRA, Aaron 5-Jun-14 Seattle Pacific University antidepressant Prozac and antipsychotic Risperdal Paxton, Chris 25-Apr-14 Stabing Milford, Connecticut taking drugs for ADHD. REYES, Jose 21-Oct-13 School shooting and suicide Sparks, Nevada Prozac (fluoxetine)
*JOHNSON, Sean 15-Jan-13 School shooting and suicide Stevens Institute of Business & Arts campus taking prescribed drugs for an undisclosed mental illness. UI 15 year old girl 24-Oct-11 multiple stabbings Snohomish High School, WA taking “medication” and seeing a psychiatrist...being treated for depression
*UI 17 year old girl 13-Dec-10 two swords, hostages Charles Fourier preschool, Planoise, France “medication for depression”.
*Helms, Christian 21-Sep-11 shooting and two pipe bombs Myrtle Beach, SC drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and depression.
*MEMON, Hammad 5-Feb-10 Shooting Discover Middle School , Huntsveille, AL. ADHD and depression...the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
*SAARI, Matti 23-Sep-08 shooting Kauhajoki, Finland SSRI and alprazolam (Xanax). He was also seeing a psychologist *Carrizales, Jesus 'Jesse' 23-Apr-08 Baseball bat Fresno, CA prescribed Lexapro and Geodon,
*Kazmierczak, Steven 14-Feb-08 Shootings Northern Illinois University, Dekald, IL. prescribed drugs Prozac, Xanax and Ambien
*Auvinen, Pekka-Eric 7-Nov-07 Shootings Jokela High School, Jokela, Finland taking antidepressants McMillan, Felicia 7-Nov-07 Knife Robert E. Lee High School, TX on drugs for depression COON, Asa 10-Oct-07 shooting, suicide Cleveland, Ohio antidepressant Trazodone.
*ODGREN, John 19-Jan-07 Stabbing Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School, MA. Ritalin.
*ROBERSON, Travis 4-Dec-06 Stabbing Jennings County High School, North Vernon, IN Wellbutrin
*CASTILLO, Alvaro Rafael 30-Aug-06 shooting Orange High School, Hillsborough, NC on drugs for depression.
*FOSTER, William Barrett 24-Apr-06 shooting East Chapel Hill High School, Chapel Hill, NC antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs
*WEISE, Jeff 21-Mar-05 shooting Red Lake Indian Reservation, MN on Prozac Romano, Jon 9-Feb-04 shooting Greenbush, New York antianxiety drug Xanax...previously spent time in a psychiatric care facility.
*Stankewicz, William Michael 2-Feb-01 knifing North Hopewell-Winterstown Elementary School, Red Lion, PA taking four different drugs for depression and anxiety
*Mamoru Takuma 8-Jun-01 knife Ikeda, Japan antidepressants...under the care of a psychiatrist.
*Baadsgaard, Cory 10-Apr-01 shooting Wahluke, Washington Paxil to Effexor
*HOFFMAN, Jason 22-Mar-01 shooting El Cajon, California antidepressants Celexa and Effexor...seeing a psychiatrist
*BUSH, Elizabeth 7-Mar-01 shooting Williamsport, Pennsylvania antidepressant Prozac
*LOPEZ, Richard 10-Jan-01 shooting Hueneme High School, Oxnard, CA prescribed Prozac, Paxil and “drugs that helped him go to sleep.”
*SOLOMON, T.J. 20-May-99 shooting Conyers, Georgia stimulant Ritalin
*COOPER, Shawn 16-May-99 shooting Notus, Idaho prescribed antidepressant and Ritalin.
*Kinkel, Kip 21-May-98 shooting Springfield, OR antidepressant Prozac...attending “anger control classes”, care of a psychologist.
*Sincino, Toby R. 12-Oct-95 shooting Blackville-Hilda High School, SC Zoloft for emotional problems.
*LEITH, Stephen 16-Dec-93 shooting Chelsea High School, Chelsea, MI taking Prozac...seeing a psychiatrist.
*BELL, Calvin Charles 18-Sep-92 shooting Piney Point Elementary School, Houston, TX UK unemployed Vietnam veteran *DANN, Laurie Wasserman 20-May-88 shooting Hubbard Woods School Winnetka, Illinois antidepressant Anafranil.
*Unruh, Howard Sep-49 shooting (Luger pistol) Cramer Hill, New Jersey UK UK UK UK UK, Held in mental hospital until his death in 2009. Yes UK
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  • posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:07 PM
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    Knives are used in Europe and the Orient. See my post of mass killings since 1946...



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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    originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
    a reply to: soundguy

    You ignored the fact that he is hispanic... No, all hispanics are not like this murderer. I am hispanic... The idiotic LEFTWING lawyers that this murderer has are trying to use the "he is autistic, and the death of his mother has affected him greatly" as they try to stop the death penalty of this murderer...

    BTW, the NAZIS and other LEFTWING dictatorships would be proud of you calling for gun control... They all did the same things you are calling for...


    He is not Hispanic.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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    a reply to: Peeple

    Nikolas Cruz.

    DEFINE Nikolas - victory, conquerer of the people.
    DEFINE Cruz. - Cross, saint.
    Check out on google word definition sites.
    STILL THINK ITS NOT POLITICAL?.
    Crawl in a cave alright but not to feel ashamed but to hide.
    Be aware, be very aware.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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    originally posted by: Greven

    He is not Hispanic.


    He grew up Hispanic...



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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    Exclusive: Group chat messages show school shooter obsessed with race, violence and guns




    In a private Instagram group chat, confessed school shooter Nikolas Cruz repeatedly espoused racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic views and displayed an obsession with violence and guns.




    The hatred he and others in the group espoused met little resistance from its active members.

    In one part of the group chat, Cruz wrote that he hated, "jews, ni**ers, immigrants."

    He talked about killing Mexicans, keeping black people in chains and cutting their necks.

    The statements were not made in jest.
    There are hundreds of racist messages, racist memes and racist Instagram videos posted in the group.

    www.cnn.com...

    Well so much for all the reich-wing lies posted that this guy wasn't your typical skinhead klanazi wanna-be militia member.

    K~
    edit on 16-2-2018 by aethertek because: wrds



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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    Fake news. AP forgot how to be journalist. No one cares to check their sources anymore, especially if it's anti-trump. Close this thread it's over

    apnews.com...

    PARKLAND, Fla. (AP) — A white nationalist appears to have lied to The Associated Press and other news organizations when he claimed that Florida school-shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his obscure group.
    Law enforcement officials have said they didn’t have any evidence to support the claim that Republic of Florida leader Jordan Jereb made in interviews with several news organizations.
    Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that Cruz had participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee, where his group is based. Jereb said he didn’t know Cruz personally and that “he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”

    Jereb told the Miami Herald that he knew “with certainty” that Cruz “had something to do with us.” He told the Daily Beast that Cruz “wasn’t particularly active” in his group but came to Tallahassee with a “secretive cell” from Clearwater, Florida. ABC News reported that three former schoolmates of Cruz said he was part of the Republic of Florida and was often seen with Jereb.
    Law enforcement officials said they hadn’t confirmed any such ties.
    “We’ve heard that. We’re looking into that,” Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.
    Lt. Grady Jordan, a spokesman for the Leon County Sheriff’s Office in Tallahassee, said he knew of “no known ties” between Cruz and Jereb’s group. Jordan said his office has arrested Jereb at least four times since January 2014 and has been monitoring the group’s membership. He says his office has “very solid” information on the group and believes it has never had more than 10 members.
    Jereb quickly backed away from his claims. Someone posting under Jereb’s name on Gab, a social media site popular with far-right extremists, complained about getting criticized over a “prank.”
    “There was a legit misunderstanding because we have MULTIPLE people named Nicholas in ROF,” the user wrote. “And I got a bunch of conflicting information and I have not slept for like 2 days.”
    Jereb did not respond to repeated phone calls from AP to clarify.
    The Anti-Defamation League also said it spoke with Jereb, who told it that Cruz was associated with his group and had been “brought up” by another member. Later Thursday, however, the ADL noted that someone posting in a discussion forum for far-right extremists said the claims were part of an elaborate attempt to dupe news outlets.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, also said it hadn’t confirmed Jereb’s claims.
    “It may seem odd that Jereb would bring attention to his group by claiming a connection to Cruz, but Jereb has always been somewhat of a publicity seeker. In 2014, in fact, he wrote us to complain that we had not already listed (Republic of Florida) as a hate group,” Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project, said in a statement Thursday.


    edit on 16-2-2018 by Majorsetback because: added article



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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    a reply to: daveinats

    our whole society and culture are to blame. the way we raise our children and are so quick to medicate them is deplorable. we have the most people incarcerated on earth, what kind of people have we become? ghetto, no morals, no empathy, no shame. we have to aim to be a better people as a whole. tell your kids you love them, pay attention to them and raise them to know right from wrong.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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    a reply to: aethertek

    Given his actions I would say his hatred mounted to much more beyond skin color.

    However, you just keep in lock step with your state run propaganda machine and then run it out as fast as you are able like a good lil puppet.

    To summarize, actions spoke louder than words.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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    originally posted by: Majorsetback
    Fake news. AP forgot how to be journalist. No one cares to check their sources anymore, especially if it's anti-trump. Close this thread it's over

    apnews.com...



    This is how they gas light the general public. Its not poor journalism, its entirely intentional. Its for the people that dont read past the headlines. I've spoke to a few good people that are misled like this. You can't tell them otherwise than their first impression. They hate Trump because of these types of stories. They spread very quickly throughout their media sources. These types of media organizations want divisiveness.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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    originally posted by: aethertek
    Exclusive: Group chat messages show school shooter obsessed with race, violence and guns




    In a private Instagram group chat, confessed school shooter Nikolas Cruz repeatedly espoused racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic views and displayed an obsession with violence and guns.




    The hatred he and others in the group espoused met little resistance from its active members.

    In one part of the group chat, Cruz wrote that he hated, "jews, ni**ers, immigrants."

    He talked about killing Mexicans, keeping black people in chains and cutting their necks.

    The statements were not made in jest.
    There are hundreds of racist messages, racist memes and racist Instagram videos posted in the group.

    www.cnn.com...

    Well so much for all the reich-wing lies posted that this guy wasn't your typical skinhead klanazi wanna-be militia member.

    K~


    Why does how he identifies matter?
    It don't think it it does.
    But you want it to matter, when it suits you.
    Then you don't, when it doesn't.

    He killed people, and you want to make it about what you believe to be true.






    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:19 PM
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    a reply to: Majorsetback

    why is everyone downplaying his connections to white nationalism? the jereb guy said that cruz had participated in drills with the group, and now he is walking back his involvement. why is everyone being so defensive that the kid was some kind of racist? is it because he also happened to be a trump supporting gun lover? that doesn't mean every trump supporter is a racist gun lover but this guy sure was why are people trying so hard to deny it.

    put your identity politics aside and call a spade a spade just like you do when you get mad at muslims for not denouncing terrorism every time some muslim commits a terrorist act.



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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    originally posted by: conspiracy nut
    a reply to: Majorsetback

    why is everyone downplaying his connections to white nationalism? the jereb guy said that cruz had participated in drills with the group, and now he is walking back his involvement. why is everyone being so defensive that the kid was some kind of racist? is it because he also happened to be a trump supporting gun lover? that doesn't mean every trump supporter is a racist gun lover but this guy sure was why are people trying so hard to deny it.

    put your identity politics aside and call a spade a spade just like you do when you get mad at muslims for not denouncing terrorism every time some muslim commits a terrorist act.


    Maybe the mirror is too shiny?

    K~



    posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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    a reply to: conspiracy nut

    To blame this on the underpinnings of an act of racism is a complete fallacy. This guy has hatred that mounts to much much more, clearly.

    By tying it back to these knucklehead groups, you give them credence and a platform.



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