Teacher Arrested For "Child Abuse" For Forcing Student To Stand For Pledge Of Allegiance

Liberty is the heart and core of American value. And that means the liberty to disagree with pretty much anything so long as your actions don’t harm another person or their property, and you are not breaking any of the written rules.

You cannot force anyone to be loyal or pledge their allegiance. It must be voluntary or it is meaningless.

People must have the ability to point out percieved wrongs with our society. Those things are then talked about and either ridiculed or accepted, but it must always be allowed.

The best thing that we as individuals can do, is to be the best example of honorable humans that we can be, and to help eachother, and see things from eachother’s POV as best we can.

That way, people would never get to the point where they don’t want to be part of the group and they don’t want to pledge their allegiance. From this kid’s POV, maybe he sees the government and that flag as a corrupt state that promotes harm and danger to it’s citizens and the rest of the world? Maybe he doesn’t like that they promote proxy wars and drone strikes with an 80% rate of killing innocent bystanders. Maybe it makes him mad that the cia is allowed to bring in drugs that end up in his streets. Maybe he doesn’t like the media war that is going on in strata of the world of politics?

As a kid, and a citizen,maybe he needs to talk about his feelings instead of being accosted unlawfully by someone who is legally charged with looking after his well being.

Better individuals make for a better group.

originally posted by: smurfy





But this idea that you must conform, seems to me to be fairly unique to American, and dare I say, extreme inerpretations of Christian views in America....

im with you about this notion of conforming.

make no mistake the people that agree with the teacher and call them a hero and # are more than likely going to be the murica type. gonna be on the right.
the #in rules. patriotism. when i was a kid they could # me up blah blah blah

i mean they read 1 piece of an article and like i said they formed the opinion the kid is a brat and the teacher is a hero. from 1 little blip they have it all figured out.

the whole concept of the pledge is so strange to me.
maybe because i dont feel this need to pledge to the flag.
does not mean i am a commie whatever the # but i just dont feel this desire to pledge my # to the flag..
and to do it to under a god i dont believe in and want no part of....
very strange to me

i do get off the the people hung up on the rules that were not even broken and the people that are cool and in favor of a teacher laying hands on. another bizarre concept to me

www.cbsnews.com...

The school district allows students to stand or sit during the pledge, district spokesperson Randy Barber told the Denver Post.

i know we are 4 deep but ti has been asked..

what rule did the kid break again?
clearly none so now why do you get behind this teacher doing this?

the answer would be murica

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: SeaWorthy

And yet during the era of corporal punishment, and saying the pledge.

How many mass shootings were there?

Take a look
Plus many more.

Guadalupe Canyon massacre 1881 Aug 13 Guadalupe Mountains, Arizona Territory Arizona 5 1

Chinese massacre 1871 Oct 24 Los Angeles, California California >18
Golden Dragon massacre 1977 Sep 4 San Francisco California 5 11 injured
.[4] Bloody Island massacre 1850 May 15 Clear Lake California 60–100
Ludlow Massacre 1914 Apr 20 Ludlow Colorado 19
Columbine Mine massacre 1927 Nov 21 Serene Colorado 6 Miners killed with machine guns during coal mine strike.[6] Ocoee massacre 1920 Nov 2 Ocoee Florida 56~ Black population of Ocoee, a town near Orlando, was nearly obliterated during the 1920 election season.
Rosewood massacre 1923 Jan Rosewood Florida 8
Hanapepe massacre 1924 Sep 9 Hanapepe Hawaii 20
Haymarket affair 1886 May 4 Chicago Illinois 11 More than 130 injured by dynamite bomb and crossfire of bullets.
Herrin massacre 1922 Jun 21 Herrin Illinois 23 Strikebreakers and union guards at coal mine.
Saint Valentine's Day Massacre 1929 Feb 14 Chicago Illinois 7 Prohibition gang killing.
brown's Chicken massacre 1993 Jan 8 Palatine Illinois 7 Store robbery with murder.
Spirit Lake Massacre 1857 March 5–12 West Okoboji Iowa

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: neo96

"Students who choose not to participate should not be disciplined nor should they be forced to stand, leave the room, or be ostracized in any way.

If you wonder why there are mass shootings.

There's your answer.

What an utterly preposterous statement. That's your "answer" for why there are mass shootings? Pffftttt.

"Be a good little drone, and pledge allegiance to the country whose tyrannical government has been complicit in an unfathomable amount of atrocities, both domestic and international. Otherwise you might commit a mass shooting someday!"

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: grey580

How things have changed.

It truly has.

Discipline is neither being taught in the home or schools.

What do they expect was going to happen?

And their solution is more laws, and other crap.

I am inclined to think it is more to do with kids having no one at home and being raised by TV and games and phones.
They have zero love no hot meals waiting after school, no one there to say let's look at your homework.
I know a woman who has a 10-year-old who watches her 5-year-old after school, he makes them microwaved food and they sit in front of the TV. The house is dirty and the kid feels guilty because there are no towels in the bathroom, no TP either. He thinks it is HIS responsibility to do the laundry.

Mom gets off work and goes out for drinks with the girls. They do not need the money. This is common.People have kids still but why? Kids are a full-time job someone who has them should WANT that job!!

Where can they turn now when they are hurt, lonely frustrated? Who are the mature people they can turn too?

a reply to: SeaWorthy

yeah or some kids use their brain to think and realize that for them this forced to conform # does not fly.

oh but you know a lady that sucks so that must be the reason

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: Ursushorribilis

Right, and the parents didn't teach the child that you listen to what the teacher tells you or face the consequences.

Historically I would have agreed with you, but are you aware of what many Teachers are like now?

You know, I have no clue how this thread has even made it this far...because it's been brought up multiple times that the school maintains that a student does NOT have to stand for the pledge.

Yet even still, "Listen to the teacher", "Remember the days when teachers could put their hands on you?"
This thread is one large echo chamber with people who are pissed because the kid sat this one out.

Just because corporal punishment isn't used as often as it once was, that doesn't mean our society is breeding wussed out snowflakes. I also find it funny that studies have shown that corporal punishment given to kids by adults actually leads to more violence later in life with children. Will provide if you're unable to google.

Isn't it fun trying to wrap your head around some of these posts? And since when does 'discipline' automatically have to equate to physical discipline?

IMHO, the teacher should definitely be reprimanded for what they did...but is it child abuse? I suppose it would depend on how forceful they actually were. Regardless, the teacher clearly crossed the line of an actual academic rule put into place; not to mention, I would be pissed if another adult was disciplining my kids. If I gave the okay, then sure...but if I found out that another adult put their hands on my kid, I'd be absolutely furious.

This teacher apparently needs to brush up on their employee handbook.

a reply to: neo96

Who cares. Anyone taking issue with these words.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag

I do, I do not pledge my allegiance to a piece of cloth. I do respect my country and have lost Family members to protecting it. They valued my right not to adore a flag.

Even the angels will not accept being worshipped.
Revelation 22:9 And he says to me, "See that you not do this. I am your fellow servant, and with your brothers the prophets, and with those keeping the words of this book. Worship God!"
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Sometimes in life, you do things that you don't want to do.

Some times, you are forced to do things you don't want to do.

This is life.


We raise our kids to think that anything they don't want to do, they don't have to. The world is their little kingdom where they only have to do what they want, when they want, however they choose to do it.

The world is not like that.

If we never teach children to cope or deal with adverse issues of chores or tasks or things like this, then we end up with petulant little assholes who shoot up schools because of something they didn't like.

a reply to: DBCowboy

With all do respect, that's a bit of a slippery slope. I agree with what you're saying to a point. Children need not be coddled. However, I disagree with that frame of mind being applied to this particular situation.

A child..or anyone for that matter, has every right to choose whether or not they stand or sit for the pledge. It's not that the child just didn't want to do it, so he decided to cause problems by rebelling and sitting it out. That's not what happened here. The kid just decided, which was his right, to not stand. The school's actual academic rule allows this.

Him exercising his right does very very little to equate with the idea that he's going to turn into a snowflake, petulant little asshole who one day will shoot up a school. That's a lot of straws to grasp at.

a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth

It's a fragment of a larger problem.

the pledge issue is just one aspect of a multi-faceted problem that we have with educating our kids.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm really simply trying to further understand your point of view here, so..in this case, with this child exercising his right to not stand for the pledge..what was it that he was miseducated on? In your opinion?

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Ahh this is from the great work done by q in exposing these vile people.

MAGA!

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Wow, back in my day forcefully lifted out of your seat, escorted out in the hallway and paddled was a common occurrence for students misbehaving! If that wasn't bad enough, if our parents got word of our bad behavior we got it worse when we got home! Parents are coddling their kids too much and are attacking teachers instead of reprimanding their kids for their poor and disruptive behavior. Now little Joey knows his mommy and daddy will come to his defense, even when his parents know he was in the wrong. This student's embarrassment among their peers and being pulled up by their arm or jacket is enough to make them realize there's a red line they shouldn't be crossing.

The feelings of these kids today are shattered by the slightest amount of discipline. Thanks to school officials and government legislatures for removing corporal punishment from schools and removing parental disciplinary rights, these kids don't have any concept or fear about their actions having a consequence. It may not be a direct reason for school shootings or young people committing crimes, but when young people don't have any fear of consequences for their actions, it creates a feeling of being untouchable and doesn't cause them to think before they act.

Yes, life has changed, there is no going back. We need to look at what is now. The local teachers here some are partying all night, go to school in mini skirts and look 16. I would not trust one of them to know right from wrong let alone physically "touch" a child.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: SeaWorthy

yeah or some kids use their brain to think and realize that for them this forced to conform # does not fly.

oh but you know a lady that sucks so that must be the reason

I guess maybe your life is different and you know all kinds of kids with decent family lives.
kudos.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Sometimes in life, you do things that you don't want to do.

Some times, you are forced to do things you don't want to do.

This is life.


We raise our kids to think that anything they don't want to do, they don't have to. The world is their little kingdom where they only have to do what they want, when they want, however they choose to do it.

The world is not like that.

If we never teach children to cope or deal with adverse issues of chores or tasks or things like this, then we end up with petulant little assholes who shoot up schools because of something they didn't like.

but this is not one of the times they have to do something they dont want to because as it has been stated a bunch of times school policy does not say they have to stand. so they dont have to stand. so whats youre problem?

you think it should be mandatory?

its kind of a one way or the other thing

nothing like forced allegiance

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm really simply trying to further understand your point of view here, so..in this case, with this child exercising his right to not stand for the pledge..what was it that he was miseducated on? In your opinion?

It's not always about what the kid wants.

Is it authoritarian and against the child if the teacher "demands" that homework be done?

How about reading assignments?

If a child doesn't want to do that, does the teacher have to cave in?

a reply to: TinySickTears

Do you think setting a curfew or setting a bed time is authoritarian also?