Teacher Arrested For "Child Abuse" For Forcing Student To Stand For Pledge Of Allegiance

originally posted by: neo96

"Students who choose not to participate should not be disciplined nor should they be forced to stand, leave the room, or be ostracized in any way.

If you wonder why there are mass shootings.

There's your answer.

So who’s going to be the mass shooter here, the teacher or the kid?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Why not?

Odd how it resembles another form of salute, isn't it?

I'd actually forgotten that...

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

So what did she do that was so bad? She disciplined one of her students, by forcefully lifting him onto his feet, by his jacket and made him leave the room, when he refused to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance. A district spokesman stated: "Students who choose not to participate should not be disciplined nor should they be forced to stand, leave the room, or be ostracized in any way."

I am sure you realize that there are People who feel worshiping the flag is wrong. They teach their kids this and it is true the flag is treated as an idol. It certainly should not be mandatory and is not. Personally if anyone handle my child in such a way I would be furious.

The Courts will protect anyone's right to not stand or recite the pledge.

The teacher messed up.

a reply to: Anathros

it seems to me that ensuring the men we send off to war are properly equipped, giving them proper care and treatment when they come back broken, and quite frankly, not sending them at all under phony, made up pretenses would be showing those troops far more respect than kids in classrooms saying the pledge....
with all the flipping rhetoric about "respecting the troops" and such, we really do treat them rather crappy... which just makes the rhetoric sound rather hollow.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

So lets kneel for our National Anthem and not say the Pledge of Allegiance, because it's "our freedom" and "right" to show the world how we're against any form of conformity and "Socialism."

The strange thing is kneeling with bowed head would be considered more differential anywhere than standing.

It should be mandatory at university for teachers to study this case law BEFORE they begin teaching.

Supreme Court Ruling

Then they would understand they can't do that.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I remember back in Elementary school in the 70's.

The principal had a paddle in her office.

If you were bad. You got the paddle.

My father in law said that the Nuns would give you the ruler across the back of the hand.

How things have changed.

In the states where I have worked in the public education systems, corporal punishment is still legal. In fact I think if I remember correctly it is legal in more places than illegal. Now, in this day and age if you ever chose to spank like bobby or Susie for being a clown in class you wouldn't face criminal charges but you would likely never see the inside of a classroom after your contract for that year ended or that day even if they put a LT sub in the very next day, paid you your salary out and cut ties...this must be a state where it is illegal if it warrants abuse charges...because its a different thing entirely when its a question of constitutionality and if this happened in an ok-to-whoopin state, the charge would be something harassment or intimidation I would think, not child abuse. Unless they are considering it an abuse to infringe on first amendment and it IS legal in this state and what that spares the teacher is an assault charge instead.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

forcibly yanking a kid to his feet by his coat isn't spanking though. it's effects different parts of the body, and maybe it's possible that it has a higher risk of doing serious injury to a person. kind of like how pulling a kid up by their arm can cause the arm to dislocate???

The teacher is in charge of the students in class, full stop.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

forcibly yanking a kid to his feet by his coat isn't spanking though. it's effects different parts of the body, and maybe it's possible that it has a higher risk of doing serious injury to a person. kind of like how pulling a kid up by their arm can cause the arm to dislocate???

Yeah if the kid was 2 yrs old.

You know that, right?

That school district specifically has rules that no student can be forced to say the pledge. Has for years. If I recall it was to accommodate Jehova's Witnesses.

Those of you talking about the kids learning about rules and discipline, this is a great example. The teacher broke an established rule and she is paying the consequence. If that isn't showing the children that there are consequences for their actions, I don't know what is.

I think the larger issue is that so many people are willing to let a person who is flaunting an established rule fly under the radar just because they agree with her ideology. That's the real problem.

a reply to: burgerbuddy
or if kid has a sickness or injury that the teacher is unaware of....
and, it's amazing how some just want to gloss over the fact that she broke the school rules when she tried to force him to say the pledge!!!
it's do what the teacher says, weather she is right or wrong.... is that it???
well, what if the teacher tells you daughter to come back into this nice dark closet and play doctor with me??? will she deserve to be manhandled if she doesn't do what he says also???
much of that authoritarian power that you crave was lost because the authoritarians were abusing their power in such a gross manner!!! just like this teacher was.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
The teacher is in charge of the students in class, full stop.

And if that teacher is a retard that doesn't know the rules?

originally posted by: torok67
a reply to: neo96

exactly couldn't agree more. Standing for the pledge IS NOT worshiping the flag it is showing respect for the many people have died protecting this great nation. This country is almost ripe for picking.

I don't see that correlation at all. Everybody always relates these types of things to disrespecting the military but that's just an emotional scape goat to avoid the issues raised by it. Somebody not wanting to pledge blind allegiance to a messed up country is not disrespecting the military. The military doesn't make the rules, they fight to preserve our freedom, which includes the freedom to not stand for the pledge. I'm so sick of hearing this nonsense. People use the military to tug at people's emotions. There is no correlation whatsoever.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

forcibly yanking a kid to his feet by his coat isn't spanking though. it's effects different parts of the body, and maybe it's possible that it has a higher risk of doing serious injury to a person. kind of like how pulling a kid up by their arm can cause the arm to dislocate???

Yeah if the kid was 2 yrs old.

You know that, right?

That's kind of irrelevant. Teachers do not have a right to put their hands on any students, end of story. Just because teachers in the 50s and earlier were allowed to be abusive to their students, doesn't mean people can do it today, especially to promote their political ideology. Making excuses for it is even worse. You don't lay a hand on a student anymore. If the student is breaking the rules that is different, but he wasn't. Any teacher should know this. The teacher is probably a super conservative getting butthurt over the flag protests in the NFL and got emotional.

The Free Speech clause of the First Amendment prohibits public schools from forcing students to salute the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

As many posters have said it was the teacher who actually broke the law not the student.

However, the student is required to be respectful of what others hold dear, by remaining silent and not performing any disrespectful actions during the proceeding. It's only common sense. An example of that would be on purpose playing a video on their cell phone and cranking up the sound.

However, the student is required to be respectful of what others hold dear, by remaining silent and not performing any disrespectful actions during the proceeding.

Is he? Is there a rule in the school that requires him to respect what "others hold dear"? I understand being respectful, but I didn't think it was a requirement.

ive been enjoying talking about this with people at work honestly because i can peg how they will react and which 'side' they fall on by their thoughts on this.

i know my boss reacted how i figured.

the kid was a punk. probably mouthing off. probably this and probably that and then on and on to the wussification of america. it opened a big ole door but it was worth it this time.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
the kid was a punk. probably mouthing off. probably this and probably that and then on and on to the wussification of america. it opened a big ole door but it was worth it this time.

You guys love to blame the victim.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: TinySickTears
the kid was a punk. probably mouthing off. probably this and probably that and then on and on to the wussification of america. it opened a big ole door but it was worth it this time.

You guys love to blame the victim.

Someone else that don't read. I said that is what my boss said. I don't feel like that but don't expect you to read my #.