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posted on Jun, 16 2006 @ 10:09 PM
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Far more then the American Witch trials like Salem, in Europe thousands of women were brutally murdered by the church for as little as not being married.

I would not know about American schools as I am from France, but if you believe that the Pope is not a Christian then you are ignorant. He is infallible last I checked, with direct contact to God, how do you say he is not Christian?

You are funny, or serious, if you are being serious with your ignorance then I am still going to laugh.




posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 07:19 PM
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My questions still stand until such time as you wish to address them.

[edit on 17-6-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 08:54 PM
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Which one?

You asked for examples of Christians killing and I gave them. You said the Popes and all presidents of America were Buddists or Jews or something, and the Witch trials were, well, you never said, just said something about Witch Trials in Salem.

You asked for examples, I gave them, and you act as though I didn't answer them.

And you still haven't answere MY QUESTION, if Communism doesn't work because people have died then does that mean Christianity doesn't work cause a lot more people have died under it then Communism, and what the heck does Communism have to do with Pro-Life violence? You brought it up and have avoided the question since.

Anyone on here not like saint4god? I asked a question and he avoided it, asked me questions which I answered, and then acts as if I never answered his or asked him any. I want answers! Conservatives are so frustrating! Like said on news, it is considered a success when your president doesn't drool on himself.



posted on Jun, 17 2006 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Yumi
And you still haven't answere MY QUESTION, if Communism doesn't work because people have died then does that mean Christianity doesn't work cause a lot more people have died under it then Communism,


Firstly, I did not say Communism doesn't work so you weren't asking me. Secondly, Christianity (the following of Christ's teachings) did not intentionally kill anyone.


Originally posted by Yumi
and what the heck does Communism have to do with Pro-Life violence? You brought it up and have avoided the question since.


I have answered this one. That answer was: I dunno. I didn't bring it up so apparently you're not addressing me on this one. I leave the person who brought it up to answer.

Okay, your turn to answer my questions.

I'm sorry that you do not like me, but not going to start changing facts to improve that condition.

[edit on 17-6-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Jun, 18 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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Again, you are saying what, The Popes were Muslim?

The Conquistadors that slaughtered millions of Natives in South America and Mexico and converted the rest to CHRISTIANITY were what, Zen Masters?

That every woman, man, and child killed during the many many years of witch trials and Inquisitions headed and lead by THE CHURCH were really done by who, Aliens?

You asked for examples of Christians committing mass slaughters and genocides, I provide them, and you again claim they weren't done by Christians, so again, is the Pope a Muslim? Or is he a Humanist?



posted on Jun, 19 2006 @ 10:02 AM
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I've clearly stated on a number of occasions that a Christian is a person who follows the Christ and his words. This is not my definition. It appears that you're unaware that Christ's words include, "love you enemy" as well as "love you neighbor".



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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SO you admit, your only answer is to go

"Lalala, I can't hear you, the Pope is Buddist not Christian, all Presidents have been Zen Masters or Jewish not Christian even though there has never been a non-Christian President, all the Witch Trials, Inquisitions, and Crusades were done by Aliens and Hindus! Lalalala, I can't hear the truth because I can't handle the truth!"

Sad little conservative American.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Yumi
SO you admit, your only answer is to go

"Lalala, I can't hear you, the Pope is Buddist not Christian, all Presidents have been Zen Masters or Jewish not Christian even though there has never been a non-Christian President, all the Witch Trials, Inquisitions, and Crusades were done by Aliens and Hindus! Lalalala, I can't hear the truth because I can't handle the truth!"


No. But you'd have to read my responses to facilitate understanding that.


Originally posted by Yumi
Sad little conservative American.


Hehe, first time I've been called that. Other than "American", I've never been considered any of the above.



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Yes socialism and marxism go together somewhat, 'National socialism' and marxism don't. And not all socialist are marxists either.
Don't they teach you this stuff in school anymore?

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

BTW you have NEVER had or seen true socialism in the USA. Everything in the US is capitalist based, no matter what they try to tell you. Every system has some elements from other systems, or can be seen to have.

[edit on 11/6/2006 by ANOK]


REPLY: "True" Socialism..... no; I agree, but PLEASE don't try to explain something to me that I've lived and studied for over 30 years. Social Security, WIC, Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, et al, are Marxist/Socialistic, and all were started by the Left.
Capitolism has raised the baseline of human existance more-so that anything else that has been tried.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1
and the fact that "Nazi" stands for "national socialism", which is what the Left is all about


So what are you saying, you think you can trust that name to be literally accurate? This is Adolf Hitler we're talking about, Mister Big Lie himself. The "Socialism" in "National Socialism" made a good campaign point, but once the Nazis came to power, any party members who took it seriously ended up in concentration camps.

No, the Nazis weren't left wing.



The Communist Party of America has voted left for the past 15 years of so, which should tell him/her something.


What the heck does that mean? Don't the Communists vote for Communists? And yeah, that's pretty left-wing.

In part, anyway. Economically, Communists are quite left-wing, but politically, they're authoritarian and anti-democratic, hence right-wing.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 05:20 PM
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saint4God: I believe Yumi is French... what esle can I say? And why are we arguing with a banned member, anyway? How can a banned member still post? Then what good does it serve by banning someone?



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 05:24 PM
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(by two steps forward)

In part, anyway. Economically, Communists are quite left-wing, but politically, they're authoritarian and anti-democratic, hence right-wing.


REPLY: Communists can't be both, as you imply. You are correct in the former case. But at least here in America, the Marxist/Socialist programs all started with the left, and absolutely HATE our Constitution.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1
But at least here in America, the Marxist/Socialist programs all started with the left, and absolutely HATE our Constitution.


Where do you get that from? It's the right that's saying the constitution is just a piece of paper.

And why do you have a beef with social programs? And what does it matter who started them? Would you be happy if they were started by rightists? One day you might be in need of a social program.
What about social programs for the rich? Do you know they get more tax cuts and free loans than the poor? You want a world where only money matters? Where you only have rights if you can afford to pay for them?
What do the poor do? How do you deal with them? Being poor isn't a crime, or the result of being lazy.

For someone who has studied this for 30 yrs you have a very narrow view of reality.

But anyway why get caught up in the right, left crap. When it comes down to it it's all the same. Control of you, your life and world resources to 'their' benefit.

Forget the left and the right and think for yourself. We need a 'new church'.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 07:22 AM
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I don't understand how communism and socialism relatest to Pro-Life Violence. Can someone relate it back for me?



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 02:13 PM
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And why do you have a beef with social programs?


REPLY: Because they are un-Constitutional, and do more harm than good.


One day you might be in need of a social program.


REPLY: Way too many people are attempting to live longer than God or nature intended, and it's costing a lot of tax money (taken from us every week or two through threat of force) better spent elsewhere at OUR discretion. (def:The power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies).

I have it in my Living Will that if I should become unable, through injury or otherwise, to decide for myself as to my medical care or treatment, that once my assets are exhausted, there will be no help from any government or social program that derives it's money from taxes; state federal or local. THATS American.


"The rich.... get more tax cuts and free loans...."

REPLY: So, you don't know the difference between tac "cuts" and "reductions in the tax rate", which benefit everyone.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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And why do you have a beef with social programs?


REPLY: Because they are un-Constitutional, and do more harm than good.


One day you might be in need of a social program.


REPLY: Way too many people are attempting to live longer than God or nature intended, and it's costing a lot of tax money (taken from us every week or two through threat of force) better spent elsewhere at OUR discretion. (Discretion; def:The power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies).

I have it in my Living Will that if I should become unable, through injury or otherwise, to decide for myself as to my medical care or treatment, that once my (somewhat considerable; isn't Capitolism great?) assets are exhausted, there will be no help from any government or social program that derives it's money from taxes; state federal or local. THATS American.


"The rich.... get more tax cuts and free loans...."


REPLY: So, you don't know the difference between tac "cuts" and "reductions in the tax rate", which benefit everyone.


Where you only have rights if you can afford to pay for them?


REPLY: The only "rights" we have are those outlined in the Bill of Rights. You haven't noticed? There's no "right" to a job, a car, a house, health care, an education, et-al. Those are things that are the result of education and hard f-ing work. Only those who are verifiably mentally or physically unable to work, or through natural disaster temporariyl in need, should get any help.


What do the poor do? How do you deal with them? Being poor isn't a crime, or the result of being lazy.


REPLY: What? Being poor isn't the result of being lazy? If someone is mentally able, and physically able, there's no reason for them to be "poor." "Poor" is a relative term, like "living wage". What's poor to one person is not the same for someone else; same for that "living wage" crap-ola. A study released last year showed that over 60% or so of "the poor" owned their own home, had two TV's, a car.... and more. I can find the story if you'd like. Go to a third-world country to see what being "poor" is REALLY like. And they're poor because they lack the political and personal freedom available to us by Capitalism and the sacrifices of generations of soldiers, and the ideals upon which America was founded.

I remember landing our carrier at some port to off-load garbage, and five minutes later people were thrashing through it for food; that's poor.


Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer.....


REPLY: .... as do those who educate themselves, and work hard, and control their lifestyle choices, and number of progeny, commensurate with their income.

There always has been, and always will be: The "wills" and 'will nots", the"haves" and "have nots' and "do's" and the "do nots".



[edit on 28-6-2006 by zappafan1]



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
I don't understand how communism and socialism relatest to Pro-Life Violence. Can someone relate it back for me?



You're right; I'm done, but I didn't start it. It IS difficult to not reply.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
I've clearly stated on a number of occasions that a Christian is a person who follows the Christ and his words. This is not my definition. It appears that you're unaware that Christ's words include, "love you enemy" as well as "love you neighbor".


REPLY: You are absolutely correct, but He also said to rid the earth of evil, and that cannot be done through negotiations or appeasement; sadly.



posted on Jul, 13 2006 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: You are absolutely correct,


Thank you
, agreements are hard to come by here.


Originally posted by zappafan1
but He also said to rid the earth of evil,


Really? It's my job to ride the earth of evil? Boy, I sure do have a long way to go. Mind helping me with a chapter to reference this?


Originally posted by zappafan1
and that cannot be done through negotiations or appeasement; sadly.


I agree that I'm supposed to "blend in" but don't see any advocacy of violence. The chapter in the Book would help when you have that available.



posted on Jul, 13 2006 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Yumi
SO you admit, your only answer is to go

"Lalala, I can't hear you, the Pope is Buddist not Christian, all Presidents have been Zen Masters or Jewish not Christian even though there has never been a non-Christian President, all the Witch Trials, Inquisitions, and Crusades were done by Aliens and Hindus! Lalalala, I can't hear the truth because I can't handle the truth!"

Sad little conservative American.


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