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Pay for it with the taxes collected from the kids that now get to grow up and have jobs.
Pay for it with the insurance payouts that no longer have to go to families who have kids killed.
Pay for it with the funeral costs we no longer have to have.
Pay for it with the reduction in spending on gunshot wounds.
You can own a tank or fighter jet now, but only if you're wealthy. The 2nd says nothing about expense.
Reread my suggestion
originally posted by: Aazadan
I 100% support both. Armed guards/teachers are not going to solve this problem. The only solution is to remove weapons from society. Until we take security seriously, I see no reason to force both teachers and students to sit in rooms that are quickly becoming deathtraps.
And those regulations have made the price of certain black market weapons (which is how criminals get guns) too expensive to use in petty crime.
originally posted by: DD2029
We need to address the large amount of crisis acting that I see on TV on a regular basis.
and we need to address this New World Mockery being concocted on the Sheep.
they make it obvious on purpose because they are psychotic. They really are laughing at you.
originally posted by: SmilingROB
Crisis acting?
You like think people are making this # up?
You think the profound grief people are showing us acting?
Shame on you.
Did you read the bit about people lacking empathy?
Shame on you.
Are you are the next shooter?
Shame on you.
Your attitude is THE PROBLEM.
SHAME ON YOU.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
Higher taxes. Check.
Sounds like you're after more than just guns with that plan... it actually sounds like you want to remove private property rights as well.
You can own a tank or fighter jet now, but only if you're wealthy. The 2nd says nothing about expense.
The 2nd says the right may not be infringed. Artificial economic restriction is infringement. IMO, the ban on fully automatic firearms is unconstitutional, and should have required a Constitutional Amendment to implement. That is not saying I don't agree with the result; simply that we did it the wrong way.
That was your initial suggestion, which prompted my posts. Now you have changed positions to your "let the criminals and wealthy have all the guns" position. Pick one, please?
It might lead to higher taxes, but it would also lead to less spending in recovering from these disasters too. Long term it's a one time purchase for a permanent reduction in liability.
Where do you get this stuff from? Am I being unclear? I have a habit of posting when I'm either in a rush or half asleep, so it could be on my end, or it could be on yours since I only seem to have issues with comprehension when writing to you.
Tanks are still armored, you can still put other weapons on them.
If you use a fighter jet as a missile it's still deadly. Are they as effective as they are in military hands? No.
Are they still high powered weapons platforms? Yes.
You're implying here that you agree with the result of getting fully automatic weapons off the streets. How would you have done it that is in line with your interpretation of the 2nd?
Furthermore, why can you not expand said process to include more weapons... what's special about fully automatics?
You cannot remove access to weapons without removing them from society.
Personally? I would have zero problem with full gun control but a lot of people have different opinions than mine (also worth pointing out, that I do support the 2nd, I just don't support gun culture).
originally posted by: TheRedneck
No, you said you wanted an annual firearm buy-back with guaranteed profit. That is not a one time investment.
I'm getting it from your posts. I mentioned the astronomical costs and asked how it would be paid for. Your reply was that it would be paid for by lower insurance claims (private monies that have to transfer somehow to the government to pay for a public program), reduced funeral costs (more private costs that now have to be paid to the government), and less health insurance claims. None of these are costs paid for by the government. Ergo, there has to be a transfer of wealth to the government from private insurance instead of to the insured.
Tell me... most health insurance plans have a lifetime maximum. Do the payments to the government by the insurance company to buy back guns count against my lifetime maximum health benefits?
I do agree with removing the ability of individuals to own fully automatic weapons, rocket launchers, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons. I just believe the 2nd needed an Amendment to specify which arms can and cannot be regulated by the government.
It is not possible to support full gun control and also support the 2nd Amendment. They are antithetical to each other. You might want to pick a position.
It's not a shift in gun attitudes, it's a shift in our own attitudes, and guns are an easy release valve. Like I just said in a previous post I think it has to do with how interconnected we are. It's a communication issue, we see/speak with people and hear how well they're doing, and compare it to our own lives. Facebook, Twitter, even text messages are nothing more than taking other peoples best moments and having them thrown at your average. That makes people feel like they're getting a raw deal and lash out.
Yes it is.
Money that doesn't need spent, doesn't need transferred.
Actually, thanks to the ACA they eliminated lifetime maximums.
If less deadly is the criteria, what's the metric on that?
Guns are no longer the primary weapon we have in use today. They're occasionally used for killing, but they're primarily treated as a toy to shoot paper targets and clay disks. The primary weapon the public has access to today is information.
The time of the gun has passed. It no longer guarantees freedom or security, it's just a deadly toy.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
That's a good question... one the people could answer if they had a choice, like actually amending the Constitution.
As it is now, there is no metric. The right to keep and bear arms, according to the US Constitution, is unlimited. Period.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude
I'm about done with this topic. I've said my piece.
We need to change the way we teach and raise our children.
They have no coping skills. They have no problem-solving skills.
Some respond in a juvenile manner with adult tools.
They have been coddled and trophied since birth so when they encounter the harsh realities of the real world or run into issues that are hard, they react disproportionately.
Life is hard. Life is tough.
But no solution to a problem should ever include shooting up a school.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Aazadan
That's according to the Supreme Court. I stated "according to the Constitution." I think the wording is pretty clear.
TheRedneck