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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Assassin82
So I asked you what qualifies you to claim that these medications cause people to turn into mass shooters and this was your reply
The side effects listed on the medications is what qualifies me to make that claim.
Are you sure about that.
Also the same medications are used all over the word so why does this side effect one effect Americans, why do the Swedish who also have a lot of guns not also suffer this side effect, why does this not happen in the UK or Australia?
That is where you claim falls down.
Well that and a lack of scientific factd
I would venture to guess they have a smarter population, the medications are properly prescribed
Let me ask...did you even read the article or watch the video I posted from Dr. Brogan in the OP?
I would ask you stop taking this so personally.
'm not attacking those people with real mental health disorders.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Assassin82
Let me ask you a simple question.
its a pretty straight forward one.
Psychotropic druges: There is no scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that they cause people to commit mass murder i.e.. School shootings.
Agree or disagree?
Fact: Despite 27 international drug regulatory warnings on psychiatric drugs citing effects of mania, hostility, violence and even homicidal ideation, and dozens of high profile shootings/killings tied to psychiatric drug use, there has yet to be a federal investigation on the link between psychiatric drugs and acts of senseless violence.
Fact: At least 35 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 169 wounded and 79 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs).
Fact: Between 2004 and 2012, there have been 14,773 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system on psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,531 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 3,287 cases of mania & 8,219 cases of aggression. Note: The FDA estimates that less than 1% of all serious events are ever reported to it, so the actual number of side effects occurring are most certainly higher.
originally posted by: Assassin82
Psychotropic medications; they are a common link to almost all mass murders.
Our perception of mental illness is flawed. Flawed in the sense that we seek pills to cure our woes rather than face the fears of life head on. Those pills are disconnecting people from their own humanity.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Assassin82
Let me ask you a simple question.
its a pretty straight forward one.
Psychotropic druges: There is no scientific evidence to support the hypothesis that they cause people to commit mass murder i.e.. School shootings.
Agree or disagree?
Philip Collins explains how the Illuminati took control of science... "The ruling class seized control of science and used it as an 'epistemological weapon' against the masses."
"Science" - The Matrix of Masonic Mind Control
originally posted by: crankyoldman
Do not ask for proof, you will never get it - ever. Ask to "know," as to "understand," ask to "feel," but don't expect another to show you something you cannot comprehend yet as that is impossible - you need to understand the language first, before you can see what is happening on the levels you question.
originally posted by: Skyfloating
A criminal who murders someone and wants to go undetected, will do his best to get rid of any evidence...And so, in case of cover-ups, we are left with very scant evidence...if any.
We have to do real detective work...speculate...extrapolate...connect dots... dismiss preconceptions...consider every angle...consider and re-consider...collect and discard information...
The work of the conspiracy-researcher is inhibited by what I´d here like to call The moronic tyranny of the "there´s no proof" crowd. This tyranny prevails in society, and on a smaller scale on this website.
Someone will engage in speculative conspiracy theory, and someone will come in and say "There´s no evidence. None whatsoever" or "There´s no proof" How have hoards of people having been brainwashed into the idea that we should only talk about whats already known?
Most people here are smart enough to know there´s not much evidence for conspiracy-speculation. And most are smart enough to know that evidence is not forthcoming because its either a) non-existent or b) covered-up. So the mantra "there´s no proof" becomes somewhat pointless on a Forum like this.
originally posted by: Agartha
originally posted by: Assassin82
Psychotropic medications; they are a common link to almost all mass murders.
If we really have to pinpoint a common link to 98% of mass murderes then we have to say 'male gender', not drugs.
There isn't one single common denominator between mass shooters, the factors that push them to such crimes are too many to mention, including having been abused in childhood/puberty, substance abuse, violent or neglectful social environment etc.
1 in 6 Americans take psychotic drugs, if they were to blame mass shootings would be happening more than once a week, not three times a year. And we would also see the same numbers of mass shooting all over Europe, for example, where the same high percentage of people take psychiatric drugs. But we don't.
The truth is that guns are the problem and countries with higher gun ownership rates have more gun deaths.
Our perception of mental illness is flawed. Flawed in the sense that we seek pills to cure our woes rather than face the fears of life head on. Those pills are disconnecting people from their own humanity.
On the contrary, most of the times people regain their humanity when they start taking those drugs, their anxiety calm down, the voices in their heads go away and they can finally think clearly and live normal lives. Of course they are going to have side effects and, just like with every drug, they will affect each individual differently.... but to blame psychiatric drugs only is wrong: a correlation is not a confirmed link.
There is a bigger picture we need to look at I personally think the problem lies on helping 'angry men' (18+). The past decades have helped women get more equal treatment but now we also have to help our boys. Male suicide rates are higher than ever and that's because many cannot find the right place in the world.
And make gun ownership as hard as getting a driving licence!
originally posted by: Assassin82
Actually, never mind. I’m personally not interested in hearing anymore about gun control.
originally posted by: Assassin82
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Assassin82
So what qualifies you to make such claims because to me, someone who works in healthcare they seem fictitious.
There is no actual science that says taking these drugs turns you into a mass shooter for instance.
The side effects listed on the medications is what qualifies me to make that claim.
I worked in the healthcare system as an EMT and flight nurse for 15 years. So there’s that also.
originally posted by: Assassin82
Yet another school shooting, and immediately the conversation turns to guns. This thread isn’t about guns though...it’s about what I believe to be the true and underlying force behind this social disconnect demonstrated by lost souls who go on a rampage and commit atrocities on a seemingly weekly basis.
Psychotropic medications; they are a common link to almost all mass murders. Our perception of mental illness is flawed. Flawed in the sense that we seek pills to cure our woes rather than face the fears of life head on. Those pills are disconnecting people from their own humanity.
originally posted by: and14263
Medication to young children for anything behaviour related should be last resort.
originally posted by: antar
a reply to: Assassin82
IMPORTANT Question to anyone, Which psyc drugs were they all on?
originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
originally posted by: and14263
Medication to young children for anything behaviour related should be last resort.
Anyone under age 25 using SSRIs should be in an institution under constant surveillance.