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Enough is enough. Public massacres and school shootings must stop.

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posted on Feb, 23 2018 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan


Now what makes you think the government is worthy of this control? This is diametrically opposed to the intent of 2A. How is one supposed to be ready to restore Constitutional authority in the event of government tyranny when the government is the one controlling said ammo?

As soon as they let us determine their weapon/ammunition needs (including for their security detail), I'd consider it. Along with 1) restoring the independent/fair grand jury, 2) getting their own house in order before trying to manage mine and 3) disband all non-constitutionally authorized standing armies with the exception of US "Marines" (Navy) for fighting piracy.

As soon as all those happen (and a few more things), then it's worth revisiting this topic. Until then, this out of control monsterously bloated government is neither deserving or near trustworthy enough to be placed in such a critical "failure point" position

Nobody needs to regulate me or my firearms except myself. Same for anybody else here. Some of us have been managing our firearms just fine for half a century, and aren't about to let some millennials who think "barrel shrouds" (?) and magazine capacity = lethality dictate which firearms they feel I "need" vs. don't need.

Fact is, it is our RKBA. No exceptions, because the second amendment doesn't provide exceptions. Even the drastically over-reaching supreme court found the second to be an individual right. Although as I said, the second amendment specifies no such exemptions and we've had no Constitutional conventional RE: 2A...

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posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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The issue is going to be when we get advanced robotics and ai. IF you can purchase massive amounts of guns, and if you can also purchase massive amounts of future robotics to use said guns, you effectively have an army.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: Xenogears
The issue is going to be when we get advanced robotics and ai. IF you can purchase massive amounts of guns, and if you can also purchase massive amounts of future robotics to use said guns, you effectively have an army.


It is going to be a sad sad day when Skynet comes online and is operational.



posted on Feb, 24 2018 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: Violater1
So now we are learning that not only the FBI are incompetent, but the democratic social liberalism of the Broward County Sheriff is at fault as well!

Yes! Read the facts HERE> www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is exactly why all infringements on The 2 Amendment must be removed. The cops can't even protect our children in school!




posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 01:21 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xenogears
The issue is going to be when we get advanced robotics and ai. IF you can purchase massive amounts of guns, and if you can also purchase massive amounts of future robotics to use said guns, you effectively have an army.


It is going to be a sad sad day when Skynet comes online and is operational.


Makes good science fiction but reality is we control the power plants. Shutting down computers is easy when you can pull their plug.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: Violater1
So now we are learning that not only the FBI are incompetent, but the democratic social liberalism of the Broward County Sheriff is at fault as well!

Yes! Read the facts HERE> www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is exactly why all infringements on The 2 Amendment must be removed. The cops can't even protect our children in school!






Perhaps if you had the ability to see past your bias you would refrase that statement, sadly though you are an enabler, if ever you can snap out of that partisan trance you are in you may start to be the change you want to see.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: Violater1
So now we are learning that not only the FBI are incompetent, but the democratic social liberalism of the Broward County Sheriff is at fault as well!

Yes! Read the facts HERE> www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is exactly why all infringements on The 2 Amendment must be removed. The cops can't even protect our children in school!



Perhaps if you had the ability to see past your bias you would refrase(sic) that statement, sadly though you are an enabler, if ever you can snap out of that partisan trance you are in you may start to be the change you want to see.


So what does your all seeing eye capture that mine is missing?
An enabler? You mean that I am empowering people to embrace The U.S. Constitution, it's Amendments, and Bill of Rights?
Well then, at least your correct in that point.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: Violater1
So now we are learning that not only the FBI are incompetent, but the democratic social liberalism of the Broward County Sheriff is at fault as well!
Yes! Read the facts HERE> www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is exactly why all infringements on The 2 Amendment must be removed. The cops can't even protect our children in school!

Thanks for clearing that up. And all along I thought it was a mentally disturbed kid with way more firepower than he ought to have had that was responsible. Along with an enabling society.
And I appreciate knowing Clinton's role in all this.

C'mon everybody, raise the cheer - "But...but...but...Hillary!!"



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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Yeah, agree that we don't need any excuse to restore the second amendment to its original state of "shall not be infringed"

That being said, nobody can or should be forced to carry a gun. Teachers, or anyone else for that matter. If you want to, great. But that comes with getting educated, trained and learning about the laws that pertain to judicious use of deadly force.

Limiting NFA firearms when modern technology provides functionally equivalent features is a moot point. It was originally created to fight organized crime, and we see how well that hasn't worked. NO CLASS OF WEAPON is banned in the United States. They're all easily obtained via a $200.00 tax stamp. The only difference is *certain* types of firearms (machine guns, for instance) are now very expensive instead of regular price. So not only are you enriching the "gun culture" but you're not hurting us "true believer" gun lovers anyhow...we can still afford to buy these things (I own a machine gun myself, lawfully). Who you ARE hurting is the poor and disadvantaged. Shouldn't they have the same right to protection as those of us with a little extra money?



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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I understand your opinion here

However, our second amendment makes your argument RE: "necessity" entirely moot I'm afraid. The second amendment only mentions the word "necessary" one time: in that RKBA is necessary for a free state via the unorganized militia (AKA all citizens within a certain age range belong to non-government controlled militias)

In countries without an enshrined constitutional right + historical precedent for resisting tyranny through use of force? Sure. Not here though. We were founded on this very idea/practice.

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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Violater1


Let me talk like a liberal for a moment. This kid was the product of a failed public educational system, the psychiatric profession, local and national law enforcement. Some of which now want to blame a 2nd amendment advocacy organization and a political party for this thing.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Violater1
Let me talk like a liberal for a moment. This kid was the product of a failed public educational system, the psychiatric profession, local and national law enforcement. Some of which now want to blame a 2nd amendment advocacy organization and a political party for this thing.

No, let me talk like a liberal...while the former are demonstrably underfunded, the latter are flush with dark money. Any surprises here?



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


"Dark money".....another neo-Marxian extension of things as well as blaming "underfunding" for stupid stuff like mass killings.


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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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Just another liberal with their unfortunate "I'm better than you" attitude.

Actually, scratch that. Not all liberals believe this BS, nor do they attack Constitutional rights as a matter of policy.

Those attacking ANY civil right do not deserve the distinction of being "liberal" as they certainly are not.
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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 12:44 PM
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There is a solution to this, but the left doesn't want to hear it because doing so would mean they have to admit that their limiting of the second amendment rights have gotten people killed.

School officials should have every right to protect themselves. Let those teachers who are willing to arm themselves do so legally. Making it so that they are completely vulnerable like they are now should earn them danger pay at the least.

Gun free zones do not work. It has been proven many times over already. The left must stop with their bullsh!t and admit they are wrong.
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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 12:48 PM
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Sadly everyone just wants to double down on their mistakes these days. Nobody has the strength of character to simply admit they were wrong and move on.

Being wrong doesn't invalidate their entire point of view or political positions. It simply proves they're human and made a mistake on one limited issue.

No shame in being wrong folks. Happens to me all the time.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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I once thought gun free schools was a good idea, but that was before shooting after shooting in schools and this one takes the cake.

People have to face facts. The fact is schools are targets of the insane. If I was a teacher I would hate those that made laws making it illegal for me to protect myself and those I teach. This latest incident that coach laid down his life to shield those kids while cops were nowhere in sight. If he had a gun he could have ended it then an there.

The lefts gun laws are killing people.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
"Dark money".....another neo-Marxian extension of things as well as blaming "underfunding" for stupid stuff like mass killings.

I'm sorry...does under-funding not contribute to root causes here? And is Dark Money not a thing? No? Then stock up on those thoughts and prayers, cuz it appears that's all you've got in your kit.



posted on Feb, 25 2018 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


With modern technology, especially CNC and 3D printing, any sort of ban/prohibition is a waste.

Even without this high tech gadgetry, low tech still defeats controllers.

www.youtube.com...
^How to bump-fire without a bump-stock Full auto rate achieved using physics and hand NO TOOLS/MODIFICATIONS
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