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originally posted by: PaddyInf
You cannot say that guns don't kill people then say that cigarettes and cars do. Is it the person or the item?
Red white and Blue in the face....and proud of it
As I said before, you guys will argue until you’re blue in the face that it is better to have guns than not. It doesn’t matter how many children are slain - your rights are more important.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: Willtell
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Willtell
The culture where there are more guns than people
You mean that culture where 99.99% of the people that live in this country don't ever get shot.
That 'gun culture'?
So the massive population of 350 million people is the thing you depend on
So what a few thousand kids get slaughtered now and then
That’s only a small percentage
Boy oh boy
About 450k Americans die each year from smoking / smoking related illnesses.
35k+/- die each year in the US from drunk driving.
Funny I dont see you advocating the end of those items like you do guns.
it didnt even result in lower suicide rates as the victims then switched to hangings
Finally in 2011, conservatives led by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper voted to abolish the long-gun registry and destroy all its records. Liberals argued the law had contributed to the decline in gun homicides since it was passed. But Mauser notes that gun homicides have actually been rising in recent years, from 151 in 1999 to 173 in 2009, as violent criminal gangs use guns in their drug turf wars and other disputes. As in the U.S., most gun homicides in Canada are committed by young males, many of them with criminal records. In the majority of homicides involving young males, the victim and the killer are know each other. The bigger lesson of Canada's experiment, Mauser says, is that gun registration rarely delivers the results proponents expect. In most countries the actual number registered settles out at about a sixth. Germany required registration during the Baader-Meinhof reign of terror in the 1970s, and recorded 3.2 million of the estimated 17 million guns in that country; England tried to register pump-action and semiautomatic shotguns in the 1980s, but only got about 50,000 of the estimated 300,000 such guns stored in homes around the country Canada's suicide rates don't appear to have been affected by the gun law, either. The overall suicide rate fell by 2% between 1995 and 2009, according to Statistics Canada, but gun deaths only average about 16% of suicides and a decline in gun deaths was almost entirely made up by increases in hangings.
originally posted by: ARM1968
a reply to: Xcathdra
There is no failed argument regarding the 2nd. I haven’t made one. Didn’t you notice?
I said it was pointless even trying. Funny thing is you think you’re winning. Crazy. The bodies mount up - your own sons and daughters - and you’re winning.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Violater1
This was the school's fault in my opinion. This kid got expelled for making threats.
Why weren't authorities alerted before? How was he not hit with a felony. That would bar him from buying a gun.
Many of these shooters have had diagnosed mental illnesses. That should stop you from getting a gun.
originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: PaddyInf
because the USA has 5 times (roughly) more people then the UK and the UK is an island
urski said it also is possible that "North America has done a much better job at integrating immigrants than governments in Europe. You just need to look at what has happened in some of the so-called (immigrant) ghettos in France, Belgium and the United Kingdom." So far this year, at least 39 people have been killed in 11 terrorist attacks in Western Europe, compared to five attacks in the U.S. that have caused seven fatalities, according to PeaceTech Lab, a group that analyzes conflict-related data. Since 1970, there have been more than 16,000 attacks in Western Europe compared to at least 3,200 in North America, according to the Global Terrorism Database.
Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power. The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa. Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "damning indictment" of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems. The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.