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Enough is enough. Public massacres and school shootings must stop.

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: bellagirl


Exactly. We're not giving up our Constitutional rights for any reason. American patriots have sacrificed their lives by the millions to preserve the Constitution and the BILL OF RIGHTS. They are the only thing standing between us and violent criminals/terrorists (we have 340,000,000 people here...you have way less...not a valid comparison) It is also the only thing standing in between a tyranny and the People/Constitution.

But you're right. Nothing will change it, doesn't matter what you say or how many tears you jerk. Fact is, our freedom costs a whole hell of a lot. Often times that cost is measured in human life.

Nobody should ever be under the illusion that freedom is FREE. It isn't.

And we all must realize there is a VERY REAL chance we will be called upon to sacrifice our own lives on the alter of freedom one day, possibly even at the hands of a deranged lunatic who is abusing our civil rights to harm others. I hope I will be able to respond appropriately with my own CCW, but if not, It is a risk I'm more than willing to take. And if you're not, maybe you should move to a country (like UK/AUS) where you're subjects and not CITIZENS. But rights and freedoms also come with RESPONSIBILITIES. Something they are far too quick to fail to teach these millennials and foreigners these days. The difference of living in a true Constitutional Republic vs. a tyrannical mob-rule AKA "Democracy" or Monarchy

Without Constitutional rights and our core values of Constitutional Republicanism, we have nothing worth defending.



You are unaware of just how many Australians have died in wars supporting both America and the United Kingdom, mind you millions of miles away from our home land.

Please, dont ever use that argument about dying for your freedoms, thats disrespectful to our young fellas that died too. Lets just agree we have opposite views and walk away without the stress of trying to convince the other.




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3


Yes, of course they are


We choose them specifically for their ability to QUICKLY and efficiently stop a dangerous threat. That may not be very "PC" but I don't give a darn. If someone is trying to harm me or my family or my neighbors (or whoever else), I want to be able to end that danger as quickly as possible. It actually takes a significant number of rounds (or very good shot placement) to ensure rapid incapacitation. Otherwise, you risk the attacker being able to continue their attack and still cause mortal damage before the threat ends (ie: they pass out, go into shock, deceased, etc)

Another poster here admitted in AUS it is mostly criminals with the firearms now. So clearly the law has no effect, since law abiding citizens were never the problem to begin with.

So let me get this straight, you guys are mortally afraid of law abiding citizens having guns (why?) but are willing to trust the criminal not to harm you with their ILLEGAL weapon?

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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Pardon me bellagirl, but would you please help me understand when the Australian war for independence from England was? Also does the Australian constitution site a right to keep and bear arms?
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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Nobody but military needs war weapons that are meant to kill as many people as possible. Period.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: bellagirl


Fair enough

I appreciate your take on that bellagirl. I wish more people could do the same, and stop trying to legislate their personal beliefs onto others.

And yes, before anyone asks, that's how I feel about abortion, certain recreational narcotic use, religious freedom, guns and much more




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: DanteGaland
NRA donations to GOP congressmembers:

Richard Burr $6,986,620

Roy Blunt $4,551,146

Thom Tillis $4,418,012

Cory Gardner $3,879,064

Marco Rubio $3,303,355

Joni Ernst $3,124,273

Rob Portman $3,061,941

Todd Young $2,896,732

Bill Cassidy $2,861,047

...And some of that money was given to the NRA by Russia. NRA taking Russian money. GIVING it to US politicians to not take action as violence AND chaos run rampant.


Not that I doubt your stats, but you really should also post a link to the source of that data as well, so we can verify it as being truthful.

Thanks


Fine.

Here you go

Your own "Conserviatve media box" news site RedState on NRA-Russia connections:



There are definite lines you can draw between the NRA and Torshin. There are definite lines between Torshin and Putin. There are very likely ties between Torshin and organized crime in Russia.


Put 2+2 together people.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3


No, *you* may indeed not need one. But you can't asses my need. Or my neighbor's need. Or my extended family's need. Or the couple down the road's need. Or the single mother in the country with her kids needs. Or the single father living with his kids in the inner city. Or the patriot concerned about defeating tyranny should it ever arise needs.

The fact is, making such a blanket statement is not accurate. If YOU don't believe you need them, then simply don't purchase one. Fact is, plenty of people have the "need"

More importantly, it is our Constitutional right. Exercising a right has ZERO to do with "need"

It is enough to simply say: "because its my right, because I can"



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: DanteGaland


Good.

Thanks to those congress people and the Russians.

Thanks Congress/Russia/and whoever else, for protecting our second amendment rights and ensuring our nation is protected from all threats foreign and domestic.


Careful.

That's borderline traitorous.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland


Who cares? I'm sure plenty of foreign countries support liberal pet causes as well.

Russia isn't evil. They aren't the devil. And we aren't declared enemies/declared hostilities.

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

In case you weren't aware, Russia is an orthodox Christian Constitutional state. They aren't a communist/socialist ##ole anymore (although are still pretty bad off thanks to cold war)

Get over the Russia stuff. Fact is, nobody but the left gives a damn about Russia.

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland


Careful.

That's borderline traitorous.


No, it actually isn't.

We aren't at war with Russia. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Too much wishful thinking/browsing DU

Russia Russia Russia, Putin Putin Putin

I can sense the blood boiling........

Again, nobody gives a damn about Russia or the left's bizarre conspiracy theories/hatred of Russia. Russia sucks enough on their own, but they also do a lot of great things, including: actually attacking radical Islamic terrorists, allegedly supporting the US gun lobby, and supporting the cause of Christian-religious freedom (since they're a Christian nation)

I'm just glad we finally have a government that prioritizes cooperation/not having arms races with up & coming world players like Russia/China as opposed to the failing EU/UK vassal states. I think we've gotten about all the benefits we're going to get from EU/UK, they peaked in the early 2000's
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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Violater1

Another empty stupid argument. I care a thimble full for your kind. Trying to convince me we can’t stop this. We can. Just get rid of republicans who can’t protect and govern.


What the heck do Republicans have to do with this mess?



Maybe we should disarm people who vote Democrat and see how that goes...
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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns

Another poster here admitted in AUS it is mostly criminals with the firearms now. So clearly the law has no effect, since law abiding citizens were never the problem to begin with.


That poster must live in the city. In the Australian countryside/outback just about everyone has a gun.

We have RESTRICTIONS, not an outright ban and it works as is evidenced by the fact we have had NO MASS SHOOTINGS SINCE THE RESTRICTIONS TOOK EFFECT.

Facts are facts.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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double
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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Once again...define "war weapons".



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

That's high population centers vs. low population.

Be intellectually honest, please.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu


Because the delusional Dems don't want to admit their failed social policies caused the EXTREME UPTICK in school shootings. Much easier to blame an inanimate tool that was totally unregulated before 1934 (and we saw barely any school shootings then, by comparison)

But THANK GOD none of the teachers/staff/coaches were ARMED like the cowardly criminal was.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Kryties

something about Hectorville, Hunt, and Wedderburn
something about 23 mil vs 320 mil
fair comparisons no?



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MOMof3

Once again...define "war weapons".


You don't need an AR-15 to kill a duck or a pig.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Russia is considered a hostile foreign power by our own military leadership and intelligence communities.

I'm gonna TRUST them over some yahoo in ATS like yourself.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland


It is honest. You're trying to impose the problems of URBAN residents on rural/country folk like a lot of us.

Two different worlds. Your needs aren't our needs, and vice versa.




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