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Enough is enough. Public massacres and school shootings must stop.

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posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: face23785

AR15 are war weapons. To kill as many humans as possible. Call me stupid but you are evil.


You are stupid. AR15 is not a war weapon. It's based on a war weapon, but it functions completely different from one. People who know a lot more than you about this can educate you a lot, but you're too ignorant to listen.




posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

No they aren't!

Not one armed military in the world uses the AR-15 as a standard issue weapon. Not one. Period.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: face23785

and, trump has made it easier for people with mental illness to purchase. it's absurd.



Congress writes laws. You will learn this if you complete a few more years of school.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: CharlesT

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Violater1

This was the school's fault in my opinion. This kid got expelled for making threats.

Why weren't authorities alerted before? How was he not hit with a felony. That would bar him from buying a gun.

Manynif these shooters have had diagnosed mental illnesses.


I think I heard the weapon was stolen.


Well, easy solution then. We'll just pass a law that makes stealing guns illegal. Oh, wait...



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Or you are too deep in the subject matter to see a weapon is a weapon is made to kill, no matter how much you call it "sport rifle"...



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: YeeHaw

Brilliant rejoinder! (not really)

This, from a member who just joined a few minutes ago! I'm deeply hurt.

But you're right on one point though, I don't advocate banning guns...I very much DO advocate banning KILLERS!

Forget the tool they use to do it!

I will await your blisteringly witty and intelligent retort!



By minutes do you mean hours? And what difference does that make. Or are you just grasping at something to discredit me with?

Ban killers... wow isnt that a refreshing and new idea. Any ideas on how to stop killers in the first place?

Or are you going to me petition against Mario Kart for influencing car crashes. #HeadsGone



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Violater1


Damn right. None of this Band-Aid "Lets attack the very tool that could've stopped this psychopath" nonsense. Although liberals love to blame guns for all our problems, it is clearly a sign of the times and their destruction of our moral values. A total breakdown of norms.

Not to mention, this shooter was a communist/antifa revolutionary. He had ZERO to do with the right wing. The left owns this bastard entirely. They created him, pumped him full of ideology and Hussein Obama himself normalized the actions of communists/black revolutionaries by watching them riot and making excuses. "Well there community is in pain!" Obama proclaimed, while apparently ignoring the blood and bodies he and the Dems would have on their hands.

Every single gun-free zone, or person without the right to carry ANY weapon (including automatics and DDs) for personal defense puts a little extra blood on their hands.

School shootings have taken off exponentially since Obama's failed domestic policies and making excuses for violent revolutionaries (remember when he wanted to kiss Castro's a%% after he kicked off?).



18th century
During the 18th century there was 1 incident of a shooting during the year 1764 (by American Indians).

19th century
total
During the 19th century there were 28 shootings

break-down
The first shooting was during the year 1840, later shootings occurred during the years 53, 56, 58, 60, 64, 67 (3 shootings), 68, 71, 72, 73, 74 (2), 78, 79, 81 (2), 82 (2), 83 (2), 84 (3), 87, 89, 90 (2), 91 (2), 92 (2), 93, 94, 98.

20th century
total
There were 226 shootings during the 20th century:
break-down
During the first decade of the 20th century there were 15 (the first shooting was during 1903 (2), 1904 (3), 1905 (2), 1907 (2), 1908 (2), 1909 (4).
During the second decade there were 19. (1910 (3), 1911, 1912 (2), 1914, 1915 (2), 1916 (2), 1917 (2), 1918 (2), 1919 (3).
The 3rd : 10 (1920 (7), 22 (2), 26).
The 1930's : 9 (30, 31, 34, 35, 36 (2), 37 (2), 38).
The 5th decade: 8 (40 (2), 42, 46, 47, 48, 49 (2)).
The 6th : 17 (50, 51 (4), 52 (2), 53, 54 (2), 55, 56 (2), 57, 58 (2), 59).
During the 1960's : 18 (60 (3), 61 (2), 66 (4), 67, 68 (4), 69 (4)).
The 8th decade: 30 (70 (5), 71 (2), 73 (2), 74 (4), 75 (3), 76 (3), 77, 78 (7), 79 (3)).
The 9th : 39 (80 (4), 81 (3), 82 (3), 83, 84 (4), 85 (5), 86 (5), 87 (5), 88 (6), 89 (3)).
The 10th: 62 shootings (90 (2), 91 (6), 92 (5), 93 (9), 94 (10), 95 (4), 96 (7), 97 (6), 98 (7), 99 (6)).
21st century
total
From the commencement of the 21st century to the most recently occurring shooting (of February 14, 2018), the number of shootings is 212:
break-down
During the 1st decade there were 60 (2000 (5 shootings), 2001 (5), 02 (7), 03 (4), 05 (5), 06 (11), 07 (5), 08 (11), 09 (7))
During the 2010's (incl. February 14, 2018) there were 143 shootings (during 2010, 11 shootings, 2011 (7), 12 (11), 13 (26), 14 (36), 15 (21), 16 (15), 17 (9), 18 (7)).

en.wikipedia.org...


As you can see, school shootings had been carrying on at approximately a steady climb over the past century or so.

>There were 226 shootings during the 20th century

>From the commencement of the 21st century to the most recently occurring shooting (of February 14, 2018), the number of shootings is 212

>2018 has already had 18 school shootings

Clearly the availability of guns had not increased, but actually decreased. Note how there were ZERO gun laws in this nation before the NFA of 1934. Any explosives, rocket launchers, missiles, gravity bombs, artillery, tanks, machine guns, howitzer cannons and fire bombs were all lawful to own, build or otherwise use. Yet the passing of this highly unconstituional law did ZERO to stymie the increase in tragedies like school shootings. These are ALL still lawful to own, however you have to jump through hoops of Big Brother (AKA the infringers)

The NFA and subsequent infringing GCA is an exercise of taxation and infringment gone bad. But as you see by the numbers above, made zero difference. Like all gun control laws, they're based on ridiculous assumptions by those with zero knowledge of practical firearms application/use.

As you'll see, school shootings actually INCREASED after the passage of the NFA and then SKYROCKETED after the passing of the Gun Control Act. Gun Control Kills



20th CENTURY - 1900s

The 3rd : 10 (1920 (7), 22 (2), 26).
The 1930's : 9 (30, 31, 34, 35, 36 (2), 37 (2), 38).
The 5th decade: 8 (40 (2), 42, 46, 47, 48, 49 (2)).
The 6th : 17 (50, 51 (4), 52 (2), 53, 54 (2), 55, 56 (2), 57, 58 (2), 59).
During the 1960's : 18 (60 (3), 61 (2), 66 (4), 67, 68 (4), 69 (4)).
The 8th decade: 30 (70 (5), 71 (2), 73 (2), 74 (4), 75 (3), 76 (3), 77, 78 (7), 79 (3)).
The 9th : 39 (80 (4), 81 (3), 82 (3), 83, 84 (4), 85 (5), 86 (5), 87 (5), 88 (6), 89 (3)).
The 10th: 62 shootings (90 (2), 91 (6), 92 (5), 93 (9), 94 (10), 95 (4), 96 (7), 97 (6), 98 (7), 99 (6)).


So, if access to sophisticated weapons of war is so evil (which isn't a semi auto rifle), why were the school shootings/murder rates so low when actual weapons of war were freely available with zero regulation? This is the default position, and one we must return to. No matter what the cost.

More guns save lives. Less guns kill innocent people. Especially when a dangerous, extremist far-left revolutionary like Nik Cruz picks out a gun-free killzone.

What is clear is that the 21st century has already had nearly as many deaths as the entire 20th century. This is disturbing for obvious reasons. Access to guns hasn't increased. Total moral destruction, and liberals blaming everyone but the criminal for their crimes is the problem.
edit on 2/15/2018 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


you want the fbi to stop this, but you're okay that it's just gotten easier for a person with mental illness to purchase a gun.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: DBCowboy

NO! Time to act is now.


And what do you propose?



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: face23785

Or you are too deep in the subject matter to see a weapon is a weapon is made to kill, no matter how much you call it "sport rifle"...


I'm deep enough in the subject matter to know that means nothing. We kill more people every year with machines that aren't designed to kill. And if you want to get into that, it's not designed to murder.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: knoxie

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Had nothing to do with guns.

Quit looking for band-aids and making excuses for a criminal's actions.

All guns were freely available (zero regulation) until 1934. Why were shootings exceedingly rare before this point? Why did these shootings QUADRUPLE since Obama took office and deceived this nation with all his deceitful neo-liberal lies? And normalized the actions of violent communists, black separatists and antifa revolutionaries.

Thanks, Barry Soetoro.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

This post will be ignored by the anti-gun extremists. It's about the narrative, it's not about facts.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


She proposes some more magical liberal thinking.

As I just pointed out, gun control has done NOTHING to stop school shootings (they've kept increasing majorly)

All GUNS and explosives were totally unregulated prior to the usurping in 1934. Yet it only started becoming a common problem in the 21st century. Why? Obama & failed liberal domestic policies. Failed liberals, failed policies, failed this country.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: shooterbrody


you want the fbi to stop this, but you're okay that it's just gotten easier for a person with mental illness to purchase a gun.

is asking the fbi to do their job now too much to ask for???
the fbi KNEW about this perp in sept of 17 for crying out loud



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: DBCowboy


She proposes some more magical liberal thinking.

As I just pointed out, gun control has done NOTHING to stop school shootings (they've kept increasing majorly)

All GUNS and explosives were totally unregulated prior to the usurping in 1934. Yet it only started becoming a common problem in the 21st century. Why? Obama & failed liberal domestic policies. Failed liberals, failed policies, failed this country.


But... but... Obama was smart!



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: YeeHaw


Yes.

You have every single CITIZEN armed to the teeth. Mutual assured destruction. Nobody would dare. And if they did? Well thank god a handful of armed CITIZENS are already nearby. Easy.

Either way, this conversation is a waste of time. The anti-gun position has almost no support, and you'll only find other neo-liberal wishful "dreamers" to go along with you/agree with you. As they say on Dem underground, it makes no difference is your "echo chamber" agrees with you.

Getting the pro-gun side to take any action is going to be impossible. No tragedy will change that, because it is the shooter who is responsible and his poor parents who didn't stop his communist BS in time.

Communism kills. Bring back HUAC!



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

I look at the "gun ban" people as those who blame the penis for a rape instead of the man doing it.

When I look at it that way, it makes all the tv talking heads and screaming leftists here look ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody


Yet another example where FBI and our "elite" (Ha HA) federal agencies drop the ball.

The only "attacks" those clowns stop are the ones they set-up. You know, via their informants and networks in order to make it look more serious/newsworthy

FBI and IC stopped being legitimate/for the American people in 1934.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Vote out republicans who do not want to ban assault and war weapons. Vote out any blue or red politician that takes money from NRA. Unless they return it.



posted on Feb, 15 2018 @ 10:00 AM
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Now being a rifle (air) owner I can see how you fall in love with your gun.
A Heron was shot with an air rifle a few weeks back here in the UK and they are talking about having to have a licence for one now.
If it stops kids shooting Herons I will get a licence and a gun cabinet.



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