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U.S. Intel Chiefs Unanimous That Russia is Targeting the 2018 Election.

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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 12:22 AM
a reply to: kurthall

Social psychologists have long talked about how emotional manipulation can work effectively
to snooker a large percentage of the population, to get them, at least temporarily, to believe
the exact opposite of the facts. These techniques are known in the intelligence community as
“perception management,” and have been refined since the 1980s “to keep the American people
compliant and confused,” as the late Robert Parry has reported. We saw this in action last
decade, when after months of disinformation, about 70% of Americans came to falsely
believe that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 when the truth was the opposite – Saddam was
actually an enemy of the Al Qaeda perpetrators.

Zero evidence of any Russian meddling. Still waiting after more than year for the Russia indictments. Not the money laundering or some other tangential bs.

Its a narrative. Its political smear tactics. It is 100% the wmd's of this generation.

It is the 'were being attacked' which leads to sacrifice of civil liberties it will lead to censorship of progressive voices, it will lead to secrecy in election processes. It is a tragic mistake for progressive liberals and the country as a whole. It is anti democracy.

Election hacking debunked by CIA agent.

“So, I would not be surprised if Bob Mueller concludes that the Trump campaign did not violate the law with regard to its interactions with the Russians. I’m really open to that possibility. Why? Because, as you know, The New York Times, The Washington Post, every media outlet that is worth its salt has reporters digging into this, and they haven’t found anything.” “And I think that, had there been something there, they would have found something. And I think Bob Mueller would have found it already and it would have leaked.”

On those already arrested: “But that’s different than a conspiracy by the campaign, right?”

DANGER: How Media Is Making Mistake Pushing Trump/Russia Story

Jake Tapper Calls Out DNC's B.S. On Russia Hacking

Russia Hacking Absolutely NOT Confirmed By Intelligence Agencies

"all 17 US intelligence agencies agreed" that Putin had directed the theft and public dissemination of DNC e-mails in order to benefit Trump. But in recent weeks the former heads of the CIA and Office of National Intelligence have themselves stated publicly that that foundational allegation is untrue: Only three agencies (the CIA, FBI, and NSA)
prepared the report, and not even those agencies themselves but "hand-picked analysts." Still more, the former director of the FBI, James Comey, has admitted that the FBI itself never examined the DNC computers in question.

The intelligence community has backed off election hacking is now broadly claiming `collusion' but they don't say in what respect. Collusion to buy ice cream?

They *will* find evidence of many business people doing business with Russia.

Its why Hillary did a reset with Russia when she was secretary of state, she `normalized' relations with

Obama mocked Romney for claiming Russia was a threat

[She is 100% behind the Russians hacked the election narrative.](

Personally I disagree with this timeline. She hatched this plan after the second to last debate where Trump basically said he has no problem with Putin. After that the bs claims began.

[Hillary Clinton created Russian narrative](

Jimmy Dore, die hard progressive like me, videos on Russia.

DANGER: How Media Is Making Mistake Pushing Trump/Russia Story(

Jake Tapper Calls Out DNC's B.S. On Russia Hacking

Russia Hacking Absolutely NOT Confirmed By Intelligence Agencies

[DNI report on Russian hacking](

Did you read that? What a farce.

First the NSA finds 'moderate confidence' in the conclusions.

Second The DNS?? Same people who brought you wmds and Iraq war. [The same former director who was busted lying though his teeth.]( But for a massive leak (Snowden) he wouldve got away with his massive and disgusting lie.

Third: "? An assessment of attribution usually is not a simple statement of who conducted an operation, but
rather a series of judgments that describe whether it was an isolated incident, who was the likely perpetrator, that perpetrator's possible motivations, and whether a foreign government had a role in ordering or leading the operation."

- Can their assessments be anymore vague?

Fourth - Wikileaks refutes this idea as does a UK ambassador who both say it was a leak and not a hack.

FIFTH - WT# This 'intelligence' report is referring to Guccifer 2.0 as the Romanian hacker. Either they are incredibly stupid or they are misleading on purpose and confusing [Guccifer]( with Guccifer 2.0. AND Guccifer 2.0 denied being connected to Russia. OMg that is the most pathetic report.

Sixth - They take issue with publication of anti Hillary facts without doubting the facts themselves. RT or any other outlet is to be assumed meddling where they are reporting *TRUE* facts?? Good god thats the heart of the First Amendment. Here cares where it comes from if its true. And it was all true, it was HER emails.

Im sure there are more points but I couldnt read anymore without feeling like its a complete waste of time. The CIA is a lying machine. They paid 600 million to the WaPo and you can see the results.

Shouldnt congress finish the investigation? This bs dossier by bs lie factories isnt worth picking up dog# from the sidewalk. - I wrote this over a month ago - since then we find out that the Dossier was funded by Clinton for Fusion to pay Russia millions to create this Dossier. - Told ya so?

The whole of the intelligence community is not just involved in intelligence but counter intelligence and disinformation.

By and large its a good thing as they are a formidable opponent in the world arena.

Sadly, these skills are being turned inward to American citizens...

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 01:25 AM
I hope they do it again and give the GOP a super majority everywhere.


The deep state is letting them do it. All obama's guys.

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:43 AM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

This is some good nonpartisan fact.

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 06:37 AM
a reply to: maluminse

Too bad the dossier is real huh?

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:16 AM
The Putin crew has been bankrolling & financing many right-wing fascist organizations & groups all over the world for years.

In Europe they'll be behind the nazis & proto-fascist national fronts.

Here in the United States as we have seen in Europe again they have aligned behind right-wing groups like the NRA, the evangelical christians & their new darling the "alt-right" or as I refer to them Klanazis.

You actually have a large percentage of republicans in this country who would rather destroy American democracy by enjoining themselves with a hostile foreign power just because that power is white & anti-gay/minority in their beliefs.

We're in the middle of an attempted coup by foreign billionaires using the christian dominionists thirst for power & the ignorance & apathy that exists within the American electorate to achieve attacking the very foundation of our society.

You know the playbook, first they attack the media, education & the justice system, the foundations of a free electorate, then they create an internal enemy that doesn't look/act like you, the "other" that somehow is getting "more" than "you", so ohhhh here comes the hate.

Gee does that sound like anyone in power right now?

We're at war people, we're currently engaged in a civil war financed & aided by a hostile foreign group of criminals who pretend to be politicians.

& look at who is aligning with who.


posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:50 AM
Not saying it’s a witch hunt but something sounds familiar...

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:11 AM

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Wayfarer

that might have used in old jim crow days but in last election some counties were recording that they 50% more votes than they had eligible to vote in cali. that means in those areas 1 vote in three was illegitimate. if when you showed up you had your id scanned that would stop people from making fraudulent votes .

There's a plethora of avenues to secure voter rolls, and voter ID laws are the least effective and most regressive (in the sense that they disproportionately affect those of income levels who have difficulty securing ID's - who coincidentally happen to vote D more often than not).

Second, the data-point you've referenced is unproven propaganda that has clearly worked on you (as you're parroting it back here as if it's gospel).

Ultimately Voter ID laws have been a tool of regressive political forces to disenfranchise their opponents voters through economic variances in the ease of acquiring said ID's.

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:16 AM

originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: Wayfarer

How about Democrats worry about rigging their primaries with Super Delegates before they cast the first stone.

The real election riggers are worry about someone else. That is comical.

I assume you're referring to the DNC's thwarting Bernie's nomination.

You're argument is especially vacuous as it is illogical why the 2 should be related. The DNC is not running the investigation into Trump or making the claims of Russia's interest in affecting the 2018 elections. You are conflating the DNC with US intelligence agencies, and unless you are implying that the DNC owns them too (which although par for the course here on ATS), it's patently absurd and hyperbolic in the most extremely paranoid sense.
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:31 AM
a reply to: Wayfarer

How far can you go in society without an ID. Purchasing cigarettes or alcohol. A fishing license. Obtaining a library card. Banking account. Being legally married. Medical care. Receiving any sort of government benefits....the list goes on and on and on.

But if someone is so isolated in their daily life as to not need an ID at all, do they really vote on a regular basis as a sense of civic duty?

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:44 AM

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Wayfarer

How far can you go in society without an ID. Purchasing cigarettes or alcohol. A fishing license. Obtaining a library card. Banking account. Being legally married. Medical care. Receiving any sort of government benefits....the list goes on and on and on.

But if someone is so isolated in their daily life as to not need an ID at all, do they really vote on a regular basis as a sense of civic duty?

Surprisingly far (especially in the lower socioeconomic ladder), and additionally I know of several acquaintances who do so and I can't see any reason to rationalize why we should make voting more difficult for them.

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 11:20 AM
a reply to: Wayfarer

But do they regularly vote?

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 11:26 AM

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Wayfarer

But do they regularly vote?

I worked with a group that actually 'carpooled' during the last election to give rides to these folks so they could make it to the polls in a timely fashion, so anecdotally 'yes'.

posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 11:32 AM
In addition, Intel chiefs have agreed unanimously that the sun will rise tomorrow.

FYI OP, the debate is not whether Russia tries, with it's intelligence assets, to influence and effect the USA, but whether Donal Trump's presidential campaign helped them. The latter would be big news, though there is no evidence and no claim by the INtelligence community of such. The former is standard fare, often used to conflate two very different issues.

posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 04:45 PM
Meanwhile on The Intercept with Glenn Greenwald...

IN THE WAKE of last week’s indictments alleging that 13 Russian nationals and entities created fake social media accounts and sponsored political events to sow political discord in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.


All of this underscores the serious dangers many have pointed to for more than a year about why all this unhinged rhetoric is so alarming. If you really believe that Russia – with some phishing links sent to John Podesta and some fake Facebook ads and Twitter bots – committed an “act of war” of any kind, let alone one on par with Pearl Harbor and 9/11, then it’s inevitable that extreme retaliatory measures will be considered and likely triggered. How does one justify a mere imposition of sanctions in the face of an attack similar to Pearl Harbor or 9/11? Doesn’t it stand to reason that something much more belligerent, enduring and destructive would be necessary?

A Consensus Emerges: Russia Committed an “Act of War” on Par With Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Should the U.S. Response be Similar?

The plot thickens...
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posted on Feb, 19 2018 @ 05:07 PM
a reply to: PublicOpinion

So I must be psychic.

An act of war you say? And fabricating such a thing would be what? Treason? High crimes against the state?

Should we be nice to the people trying to start another war?

Edit to add:
What happens if we start hostilities with Russia, and later it turns out to be the opposite of what was accused?

What if there is no off button or "Im sorry" we can say or use that will end the war WE started?

Real talk. What do we do with those that started the war under false pretenses in that last scenario?

When our brothers and sisters start to die over this, what will they all say to profess their innocence or ignorance?

edit on 2 19 2018 by tadaman because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 28 2018 @ 06:43 PM
All I can see here is an attempt by the EU and the UK to target the Russian elections in about 2 weeks.
Careful ... this has the potential to backfire up to the UK parliament!

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