It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Ego and the perception of Hell.

page: 2
5
<< 1   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 13 2018 @ 07:16 AM
link   

originally posted by: HarryJoy
Please explain how an individual is to ascertain whether one of these Divine entities is benevolent or not ? The Scriptures say that Satan appears as an angel of Light.

By their actions and or outcomes established with the encountered Guided or Overseen.

If the encountered displays behaviors and thinking associated with benevolence as opposed to malevolence there is a chance the deity-entity interacting with the encountered is of benevolent nature...
Good question




posted on Feb, 13 2018 @ 07:22 AM
link   
a reply to: yuppa

Wouldn't that make spreading the gospel or even speaking of God evil? As once a person hears it suddenly they are condemned if they "choose" not to believe?

I mean following that logic is better to never speak of God and let the belief die out as only those who are told God exists can be condemned. If no one is ever told no one can ever be condemned to Hell.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 02:12 AM
link   
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

That’s a lot of things that you have to watch over and guide.. like grains of sand on the beach.



posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 01:41 PM
link   

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: yuppa

The hell would be learning through experience on your own as you encounter fails that may be extremely discomforting.
Fails possibly avoidable with Guidance from ISA or any Benevolent divine deity simular...


This thought brings to mind if anyone has been able to find their heaven without going through some kind of hell...



posted on Feb, 17 2018 @ 11:27 PM
link   
I think you make a great case about why we should distrust any and all claims of 'Creator Gods', as all of them must be simply powerful beings, whose idea of 'Heaven' is to spare you the inherent discomfort of getting to know reality by trial and error, and their 'Hell' is simply to leave you alone to your sorry affairs.

Still, you also make the case that it would be wise to seek out the help of such entities. But you cannot avoid the dilemma that we do have free will, and the right to express it that comes with it. Why would I take a deal to sing hymns to a supposed Deity for all time, in exchange for safety and patronage? I wouldn't fault anyone for choosing to do so, especially in the face of all this strife and suffering that we have on Earth, but why am I left under the impression that any Deity who works in this insidious way - allowing suffering and offering its help only if you sign off your soul for all time - is a Deity not worth worshiping? I'd rather believe in a Deity who helps me out of charity and not out of self-interest..



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 03:04 AM
link   
My ego,..? Heaven!

Someone elses ego,..? Hell!



posted on Feb, 18 2018 @ 01:56 PM
link   
a reply to: Rhaegar7

The true benevolent energies probably do not require any worship type recognition.
I could be wrong though 🤔

1 would imagine they do what they do, providing Service To Others S.T.O for the sake of naturally recognizing the WHOLE* of which we ALL Created make up has areas in need of help-support.
Performing their assistance without the need for praise.

Maybe some of them been where those they help are and they know the challenges.
In reaction extending a hand from a higher dimension to help those of us who ask subconsciously.

Others malevolent based also in those alternate dimensions connected to the spirit realms may entice human spirits here manifested in EA*RTH clay that they notice in need of help but too egotistical to ask, into activities or behaviors that can cause them individually and possibly others abroad following them harm with temptation.

Temptation that the benevolence would consciously help the tempted to perserver and overcome. Helping them avoid failure and pain and time waste here...

So to reiterate I dont think the true benevolence seeks worship or praise. They are too real with the CREATOR to act egotistical as if they created thus all. Part of their intelligence levels perhaps.
As I dont think that when ISA was said to of been recorded here last time that THE wanted a religion using his name to worship he.
He appeared to want to enlighten many of the dark and it scared the Jewish & Roman influences in power back then. And they attacked he not knowing what he was.

He ISA probably understands and appreciates the love but knows deceptive humans through time misused the religious energy for Ego based CONTROL and not to assist in making the conscious minds of the Spirits of mankind BRIGHTER on the darkness abroad.

In turn keeping mankind derailed and behind spiritually, possibly further spiritually kept in the grasp of Iblis as the species sorts out TRUTH and Lies.

NAMASTE*******



posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 04:38 AM
link   
I guess I have a couple of questions for the OP...

First did you have a particular case in mind that spurred you to write the post. Or was it that you just felt the general public or the general membership needed this information in light of the conditions of the present world ?

And secondly do you have a mentor or a particular belief system that you adhere to ?



posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 06:40 AM
link   
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

there is no requirement to have a spiritual guide , no requirement to act no one needs anything , all the answers we need are within ourselves as we are the one manifest in form



posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:52 AM
link   

originally posted by: HarryJoy


I guess I have a couple of questions for the OP...

First did you have a particular case in mind that spurred you to write the post.

Metaphysical & physical observations of human energy or Spirit.


originally posted by: HarryJoy


And secondly do you have a mentor or a particular belief system that you adhere to ?



My mentor is THE CREATOR and it's benevolent GOD sends.
Belief system follow the Golden Rule...



posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 07:54 AM
link   
a reply to: sapien82

Acknowledged sapien82

Thanks



posted on Feb, 22 2018 @ 11:22 AM
link   
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Well it sounds like we are on the same page I try to always do unto others as I would have them do unto me and I always try to show mercy so I would receive mercy when I need it



posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 11:35 AM
link   
a reply to: intrptr

Regardless of a being's perception, there is a universe of guidance always at hand. Every "day", every "moment", every "place"...guidance is always readily available (and always being utilized).

EDIT:

This comes in the forms of both positive and negative reinforcement. In other words: God created Satan. In other words: There's Santa Claus and Krampus. Duality...Unity...Trinity...
edit on 9-3-2018 by Stroikabot because: Inserted some thick, meaty content.



posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 11:55 AM
link   
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

The concept of worship is very interesting. Not from the worshiper's perspective...pretty straight-forward. What about from the worshipped's perspective?

I'm looking into (not a lot of success yet) Greek mythology for this reason; The God of War games planted a seed n my mind: the concept of Gods losing potency, even disappearing, if their worship declines/stops. I'm trying to find some source material, with the intention of gaining some kind of insight into the mechanics of it/reasoning.

Fascinating stuff!



posted on Mar, 9 2018 @ 12:06 PM
link   

originally posted by: Stroikabot
a reply to: intrptr

Regardless of a being's perception, there is a universe of guidance always at hand. Every "day", every "moment", every "place"...guidance is always readily available (and always being utilized).

Guidance (suggestion) and protection (proactive).



new topics

top topics



 
5
<< 1   >>

log in

join