Russian airliner crashes shortly after take off

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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Zaphod58


question about the An-148. I noticed the seating arrangement is 3 & 2. the isle being offset to the port side. how does that effect CG. and how's it countered. literally with ballast? equipment shoved to one side?

Lateral (side to side) imbalances are trivial and do not affect handling. Weight and balance fore and aft is crucial. The reason side loading is not crucial is that the moment arm (mass times distance from the datum, which is the centerline of the aircraft, is so small. If the imbalace is a long way from centerline, say, a wingtip fuel tank, you might need to compensate for a heavy wing with aileron trim. The 20 series Learjets come to mind.

The plane had flown several other flights before the crash and had gone through technical checks without any problems. Video of an explosion near the crash site has emerged. It appears to be the aircraft impacting the ground.

One of the two recorders has been recovered. Officials said that as of late in the day, only 2 bodies had been recovered. They expect recovery operations to take a week, due to the conditions around the crash site, and the location.

The aircraft went through a C check last month. A C check involves checking all the aircraft systems, and occurs every two years or so. It can take up to 2 weeks and 6,000 man hours.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: Woody510

Breaking up inflight with a fire does not sound like a normal engine failure.. I wonder if there was an explosive device ?

Best place to trigger an explosion is when a plane is over open countryside.

a reply to: carewemust

You don't normally set it under the wing though. People were saying that the wing was on fire, and they're already talking about the engines.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: carewemust

You don't normally set it under the wing though. People were saying that the wing was on fire, and they're already talking about the engines.

That would make it look more like engine failure than an explosive device. Right?

a reply to: carewemust

Yes. An uncontained engine failure could do significant damage to the wing, leading to flight control problems, and a situation where they go out of control and break up in flight. The results would look similar to a bomb being on board too.

a reply to: Zaphod58


I was thinking that attaching an explosive device on the wing, right next to an engine, would make the tradgedy look like a mechanical failure.

a reply to: carewemust

That's not an easy trick to pull off though. The aircraft flew multiple times that day, so there wasn't a lot of time to access the wing. And someone would have wondered why they were going into the wing, since the plane would have been turning for its next flight.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Just have to have something puncture the wing tanks to get a wing fire. Fire on wing doesn't mean the event happened there.
But yes, a severe engine problem could well serve the same.

a reply to: F4guy

thank you for your explanation.

a reply to: RadioRobert

That is still not an easy trick to pull off with all the people around the aircraft during a turn.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BASSPLYR

It actually doesn't affect it much. Several of the regional aircraft have configurations like that. They can put ballast in place, or they can put equipment more to the side with the two seats, but it doesn't have a huge effect to begin with. Not as much as it would appear to have.

thank you

a reply to: Zaphod58


I didn't know that the plane had already flown that day. Thanks for that into. A few witnesses say that they saw something rise up to meet the jet, and then it exploded.

Hopefully we'll know more in a few days.

I'll put it real easy to read in a peacable thread.....

do not fly the high aspect winged aircraft....

God love us....they all have icing or winter troubles.....near the feild

a high aspect wing means long and skinny.....but a high aspect wing has a high wing loading...hello designers dang ma

Dash 8 is another.....

it's like flying two wings....one at higher airspeeds....but the wing you get at slower speeds in icing....nuff said.....hope I'm wrong but don't get in one.....Boeing yes....Airbus no

a reply to: carewemust

That's common. A lot of times witnesses will see something come off the plane, and think it was going up, or see the smoke trail where something fellb off they didn't see. Witnesses are usually only good for giving you a starting point.

Yes. An uncontained engine failure could do significant damage to the wing, leading to flight control problems, and a situation where they go out of control and break up in flight. The results would look similar to a bomb being on board too.

Flight Control damage seems about right if the pilot had oscillation problems.Seems like it hit reasonably level and not nose dived in.Partial control to the impact point maybe?
Sad and condolences to all that lost life

a reply to: Zaphod58

That's why bad actors usually carry it on the plane themselves.