Proof that an advanced civilisation existed. Case closed.

originally posted by: Exitt
I should be working right now and here i am watching that video. Thank you for sharing, it's amazing and simply logic.


PS. To all of you thinking of modern explanations as to why would an advanced civilization build with stone instead of advanced materials - you are not thinking this through. These tombs/shelters were made from stone and MADE to last because all other majestic things they've built from modern cement, super hard glass and 'nano materials' did not survive.
It's simply logic.

And if one travels to other planets, one doesn't need to drag a cement factory with them.

I think whoever/whatever had the tech was using humans as slaves to build these stone structures and we turned on them and killed them. Once our slave owners were killed their tech turned off and/or the remaining slave owners retreated with the tech. Most Gods that humans wrote about in ancient history are egotistical and power hungry. I don’t think flying flaming chariots and great weapons are symbolism or stories. These Gods are the same as any douchebag dictator with gold toilets and aviators. After all, the ancients said we were made from the Gods own egotistical DNA and if we look around we can still see a lot of that behavior in humans today.

originally posted by: musicismagic
God created us. From the this planet. We are only from this planet. Wisdom was given to us , but modern man thinks nowadays of wisdom from the past is non profitable. This is happening worldwide, once this God given wisdom is lost, man will become confused and die off. Only a few will be spared of the foolishness of modern man and will once again breed.

I am attempting to understand a link to God and sentences like "From the this planet". Please expound.

Sort of reminds me of a band called "The The".

There were superior civilizations before the great flood. It took 6000 years before new civilizations showed up. Those new civilizations just took advantage and build on existing constructions.

a reply to: anonentity


Yes massive stone obelisks lay unfinished, simply because some event stopped all work on this planet for a considerable amount of time. When the work resumed it was of a poorer quality and a different style, usually built on the foundations of the previous style. This is just a fact of analysis

Please show real proof of these analysed facts.

Mega ton blocks of stone were moved from the quarries many miles away and fitted with great precision. In many sites these megaliths have been moved a few feet and incorporated in the later archecture. Then the later civilization settled on the spot. You don't need to see the machines that did the work, to know that the work was done in a certain advanced sophisticated way, just like when you look at a modern car, its assumed that many highly sophisticated tools and concepts were used in making it. You just enjoy the car. The people that could make the car, are a fraction of the present population. If they left for some reason ,their would be no cars. Just like the users of the tech that made the megaliths.
Building a city out of bedrock is the most efficient way to build, everything is on site, the only thing is portable tech to do it. Some one had that tech, and it isn't us, because we would still have it.

You're correct. Someone did have the tech to move those big rocks. Now. Look at the Giza Plateau. The second longest river in the world runs near it. Actually it was nearer at the time. Add a boat. Guess what you have then?

The Indian Vedas and the old testament could be historical facts, as told by people that didn't quite have all the facts, but just reported things as they observed them.

Those are 2 completely different religions. Please only choose one. As the other is obviously lies. I don't believe myself. But i do like the bright colours and spices.

a reply to: anonentity

Horse manure. The ancients had help from enterprising aliens looking to make a buck.

Here we go with another "Yes they did"..."No they didn't" thread.
Thanks to the OP for the video and the interesting hypothesis.

We don't know, can't know and never will know, unless something or someone appears and provides us with the answers. To the naysayers all I ask is, give modern man the same supposed resources as the ancients and ask him to replicate what we have found. The actual results of the ancients' building skills is there for all to see. As far as I am concerned, the onus is on the debunkers to prove their theories as to how and why the ancients achieved what they did.

Mystery History...it's exciting!

a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

The evidence is the saw marks themselves. The idea is to get this behind us because it itself it physical evidence that they used some kind of saw, it is really undeniable. The focus should be totally on the nature of those machines, what were they made from, what powered them and who used them.

Squabbling about the fact that they are, or are not, some kind of automated cutting technology is akin to a baby crying because it dropped it's rattle.

Right what if.........
In the future we perfect time travel and it is us that go back in time with our future tech and make these things as a symbol to show we had been there.........now think about it..........say someone from today was to travel back to 2000bc with today’s tech and military tech they could become king or ruler, then he or she get their new subjects to build symbols to prove they were there.........sounds like the pharaohs.
Right now a question about time travel........if we travel faster than the speed of light for millions of mile then stop and turn round we are suppose to be able to see the past, now if we travel just as fast back going again faster than the speed of light would we arrive back in the past?

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

Scientists don't allow themselves to make things up, that's why the idea of using animals isn't dominant.
The AE's left artwork showing how they hauled heavy stone materials, and no animals are shown in the art doing this job.

Obviously, that doesn't meaan they didn't use animals. But science deals with the evidence, and the evidence shows otherwise.

Harte

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

The evidence is supplied in the video. You have to do something that might come as a shock to you, open your eyes, and look. Review the evidence.

I am quite impressed with what has been discovered about ancient drilling processes. What shocks me is some people refuse to look. Oh, wait a minute, never mind, its against some peoples religion to do that..... Keep your binders on......

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

Well, they were "advanced," but only when it came to rocks. They apparently weren't very advanced with regard to plastics or complex ceramics and glass or highly refined metals, or like... not just dying out and vanishing until they were dug up centuries later.

If they were so advanced, instead of tediously carving rocks they might have been better off making guns or rockets or something to defend themselves against the Greeks and Romans.

originally posted by: andre18

originally posted by: Harte
So they fled and started building with stone?
Okay, assuming that, where's their older, more advanced stuff? There's never been a trace of it found.
And, you're saying that none of the survivors would care to re-establish what they had earlier?

Sounds pretty fishy.

Obviously its been thousands if not tens of thousands of years, all metal structures erode into the earth, including the equipment. Here is a perfect example -

You cant find what doesn't last erosion. It depends if those that fled had the know how to recreate what was lost. If you get a million people randomly from a country to reconstruct our current capacity of living with only a few hundred large boxes of valuables and keep in mind computers will need DAILY recharge, from home power points and power plants that dont exist anymore Then it wont take long for our ways to be lost into future generations.

Believe whatever you want, but understand that wooden spears from over 300,000 years ago have been found, so that sort of puts your comments in their place.

originally posted by: andre18

We already have a lot of things that came to be long after the Old Kingdom.

But "we" didn't have the Valley of the Kings tombs when the GP was being built. They came a thousand years later. In the Old Kingdom, Giza was a cemetery.

The fact that the tombs in the Valley of the Kings post-date the Giza tombs by a thousand years has been known for a hundred years or so.
So we don't need to be told this by the lack of hieroglyphs in the GP.

That doesn't imply the pyramids were still used for king tombs other then we know they were used as that purpose at some point. There are pyramids built at the same time as the valley of the kings, but of a less quality of skill.

It was stated in the post i referred to that "we already had" the tombs in the Valley of the Kings. My response was to that fallacy.

originally posted by: andre18

Besides, in that era, such decorations were reserved for the temples built in front of the tombs at Giza. The Valley tombs have no exterior temples.

What has the Valley of the kings, having to exterior temples have todo with anything

Decorations had to be inside the tombs themselves since there was no temple outside. I thought that was fairly obvious.

Harte

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

The evidence is the saw marks themselves. The idea is to get this behind us because it itself it physical evidence that they used some kind of saw, it is really undeniable. The focus should be totally on the nature of those machines, what were they made from, what powered them and who used them.

Squabbling about the fact that they are, or are not, some kind of automated cutting technology is akin to a baby crying because it dropped it's rattle.

However, we know the AEs actually DID use saws to cut stone, when it was called for. They left drawings of them doing it. In fact, such cuts have been demonstrated in modern times with sand abrasives and copper blades.
Does it explain EVERY cut? Probably not. But it explains almost every cut, and pretty much all the cuts the fringe salivate over.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

Scientists don't allow themselves to make things up, that's why the idea of using animals isn't dominant.
The AE's left artwork showing how they hauled heavy stone materials, and no animals are shown in the art doing this job.

Obviously, that doesn't meaan they didn't use animals. But science deals with the evidence, and the evidence shows otherwise.

Harte

Yeah, 40 stories worth with a plumb bob, a stick and a square.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

Well, they were "advanced," but only when it came to rocks. They apparently weren't very advanced with regard to plastics or complex ceramics and glass or highly refined metals, or like... not just dying out and vanishing until they were dug up centuries later.

If they were so advanced, instead of tediously carving rocks they might have been better off making guns or rockets or something to defend themselves against the Greeks and Romans.

Or perhaps guard themselves against schistosomiasis caused by the worms that ran rampant through their bodies.

Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

Scientists don't allow themselves to make things up, that's why the idea of using animals isn't dominant.
The AE's left artwork showing how they hauled heavy stone materials, and no animals are shown in the art doing this job.

Obviously, that doesn't meaan they didn't use animals. But science deals with the evidence, and the evidence shows otherwise.

Harte

Yeah, 40 stories worth with a plumb bob, a stick and a square.

What seems so impossible about that?

Harte

a reply to: fromtheskydown


I can take the heat, but when you have a structure that's just about anything created. Their are forensic marks, in this case we are talking about the tool marks used to shape it. In our present understanding, not only the cut marks can be worked out but the pressure used. Even if a structure gets the tool marks polished out, you can still see the last high grade grit marks that were used. In the polygonal walls their are no tool marks, by our present understanding their are only two ways to do this ,by means this means by molding or laser cutting.
Their are pillars in India which do have the tool marks on them, which means they were turned on a lathe, where are the lathes, probably stone lathes, which means they are still around ,before anyone says you cant have a stone lathes, the Germans used concrete lathes to produce shells, which could be put together in twenty four hours. l, the gearing as well, all removable, check out the differential gears in the Cairo museum.
If you have followed this, thread, and observed, and have even looked at the Antikythera mechanism, you can see history isn't a warm fuzzy progression, it requires a set of circumstances, which only need a hundred years to go from a horse and cart to an aero plane. What the naysayers are suggesting that in the hundreds of thousands of years of human history those set of circumstances haven't occurred before because we are SPECIAL.

originally posted by: Harte
Or perhaps guard themselves against schistosomiasis caused by the worms that ran rampant through their bodies.

They tried taking pills made from rocks, but they curiously had no effect.