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Trump-Russia Isn’t About the Cover-Up It’s About the Crime.

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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I just wanna know the statute that supports the term "criminal".

To be toast you have to commit crime. What is the crime?


Its called conspiracy, collision is actually a legal misnomer…it implies conspiracy to commit illegal acts in unison with another party




posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
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This is a blockbuster article detailing not only obstruction of justice, something that the whole world knows Trump is guilty of, but the actual crime of collusion with Russia in which Trump and numerous of his top aids and family members are guilty of.



The conspiracy case--the heart of Mueller’s efforts-- almost certainly boils down to an old-fashioned quid pro quo. Flynn’s “quid”—the substance of his recorded conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak— was lifting the sanctions that President Obama imposed on Russia in late 2016 and the earlier sanctions related to Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine. The “quo” was collusion (“conspiracy” in legal terms) with Russians to harm Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which Flynn effectively admitted was “material” to his lies after the election. Anyone associated with this deal is in deep legal trouble. The conspiracy started with Russians violating the federal computer crime statute, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, by hacking into the computers at the Democratic National Committee and stealing emails that were then distributed publicly by Guccifer 2.0 and Wikileaks—both linked to Russians— in ways that hurt Clinton. According to the Department of Homeland Security, Russia also tried to penetrate the voting systems of 21 states.


According to this detailed piece, Trump and his minions are toast. I think the only thing that can save him is politics. A massive attempt with of course Russia to steal the 2018 election and keep congress republican is the only thing that will save Trump.




“The conspiracy charges that arise from it will likely send some of Trump’s friends and relatives to jail. And they won’t look so good for the president, either, if presented next year at his impeachment trial in the Senate.”



Many have been led to think there is no collusion simply because Trump repeats it over and over, in line with the philosophy of the Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbles

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
There's no collusion
There's no collusion
There's no collusion


Here is a detailed list of criminal collusion between Russia, the Trump campaign and wiki leaks

Criminal Collusion Timeline





April 26, 2016: George Papadopoulos, whom Trump named as one of his “top five” foreign policy advisers, learns that the Russians had possession of the DNC emails. He passes word of this to others in the campaign. Because of a “mutual understanding,” no one calls the FBI.

Mid-May: Papadopoulos tells an Australian diplomat in London that the Russians have compromising emails on Clinton. The diplomat properly informs his superiors, who--unlike Trump campaign officials--recognizes his legal responsibilities under American law to notify U.S. authorities.

June 9: At a meeting at Trump Tower previewed for the campaign as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” Donald Trump Jr. listens as well-connected Russians offer damaging information about Clinton. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort both say they left early, suggesting “awareness” of, or “willful blindness” to, crimes that were underway. Again, no one contacts the FBI.

Mid-June: Kushner—assuming control of the campaign’s digital operations— hires Cambridge Analytica, which coordinates with Wikileaks, suggesting a possible “mutual understanding” of what Wikileaks will do.

July 14: At the Republican National Convention, the Trump campaign deletes a plank in the party platform that condemns Russia for invading Ukraine, and rejects a proposal for increased sanctions, bolstering the case for the quid pro quo that is the crux of the case.

July 22: On the eve of the Democratic Convention, Wikileaks releases damaging Democratic emails received from the Russians, implicating Wikileaks in the criminal conspiracy.

July 27: In a speech, Trump says, "By the way, if they [Russians] hacked, they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do.” Trump later said he was joking but it reinforces his “awareness” of an unlawful act.

August 21: Roger Stone, a longtime friend and adviser to Trump, shows knowledge of the conspiracy by tweeting, "Trust me, it will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary,” in reference to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, and Stone admits having communicated with both Guccifer 2.0 and Wikileaks in July, all elements of the conspiracy.

October 7: Within hours of the release of the Access Hollywood tape, which dealt a serious blow to the Trump campaign, Wikileaks releases the first in a series of 60,000 emails belonging to Podesta. Wikileaks effectively acts as an arm of the Trump campaign in a “mutual understanding” to deflect attention away from the sex scandal.

December 29: Deputy National Security Adviser-designate K.T. McFarland emails a colleague about the aftermath of outgoing President Obama’s implementation of sanctions: “If there is a tit-for-tat escalation, Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown USA election to him.” (emphasis added) The same day, Flynn tells Kislyak not to escalate because Trump is coming into office with a new, much friendlier policy, thereby fulfilling Trump’s end of the corrupt deal.



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Yawn. Hillary, Obama, the DNC, FBI, etc all actually colluded with multiple foreign powers to influence an election. IfnTrump did to, itnwas to build a hotel. Who cares?



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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Potential crimes of the Trump mob other than Obstruction of Justice




Specifically, it is a crime for a foreign national to give money or “other thing of value” in an American election. The “thing of value” could, for example, include helpful information on a candidate’s opponent.

Second, we could see charges brought for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act if Trump or members of his campaign helped the Russians obtain (meaning steal) Democratic National Committee emails or helped them use (meaning release) those emails publicly

Finally, there is our old friend “conspiracy.” (Manfort and Gates have already been charged with this particular statue.) The law specifically defines a criminal conspiracy as two or more people “conspire[ing] either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States…” That basically means you agree to commit a crime and actually take some steps to try to commit that crime. The language about “defraud[ing] the United States” essentially refers to trying to cheat the federal government out of money or other property or trying to interfere with the functioning of the government.







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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I just wanna know the statute that supports the term "criminal".

To be toast you have to commit crime. What is the crime?


Its called conspiracy, collision is actually a legal misnomer…it implies conspiracy to commit illegal acts in unison with another party

Again , what was the illegal acts ? Conspiracy to commit illegal acts ? You have to prove what the illegal acts were.
Looks like someone needs to learn about laws and nomenclature before they start a thread on criminal acts by posting a link to another person's opinion that doesn't know either
Just sayin.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:38 PM
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Didn't you just read what I posted above you

REAL SIMPLE...




1.it is a crime for a foreign national to give money or “other thing of value” in an American election. The “thing of value” could, for example, include helpful information on a candidate’s opponent.

2.Second, we could see charges brought for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act if

3. Finally, there is our old friend “conspiracy.” (Manfort and Gates have already been charged with this particular statue.) The law specifically defines a criminal conspiracy as two or more people “conspire[ing] either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States…”Trump or members of his campaign helped the Russians obtain (meaning steal)



Got it

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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:27 PM
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1.it is a crime for a foreign national to give money or “other thing of value” in an American election. The “thing of value” could, for example, include helpful information on a candidate’s opponent.
a reply to: Willtell
So what you are saying the dossier?

Hillary clearly paid for information on an opposing candidate.



2.Second, we could see charges brought for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act if


Hillary Clinton had an illegal server does that count?



3. Finally, there is our old friend “conspiracy.”

As in Hillary conspired with the Russians and the FBI to obtain fraudulent information on Trump and pass it of as evidence of collusion on Trump?

Just exactly whose side are you on?

Sounds like you are talking more about Hillary than Trump!



The law specifically defines a criminal conspiracy as two or more people “conspire[ing] either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States…

You mean the way the left is trying to defraud the people of the United States who duly elected Trump as president?

Seriously get a clue.


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edit on 10-2-2018 by Diisenchanted because: to add more



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

That nothing has changed maybe? Or that things are actually getting worse on the social front?
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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell


This is a blockbuster article detailing not only obstruction of justice, something that the whole world knows Trump is guilty of, but the actual crime of collusion with Russia in which Trump and numerous of his top aids and family members are guilty of.


It is a well written piece, there is no doubt about that, to me the the most significant part mentioned was July 2016.
The thing is, this is so well documented, but has not really been pushed forward by the media el al, only that it did happen. That only means they know something that could easily be obtained with their resources, phone calls.

" July 14: At the Republican National Convention, the Trump campaign deletes a plank in the party platform that condemns Russia for invading Ukraine, and rejects a proposal for increased sanctions, bolstering the case for the quid pro quo that is the crux of the case."
Those calls were made, there are several if not more witnesess to that, yet no TV channel, no media, no Mueller, (of course) and not even the guy in your OP is talking on about that, yet they all know those calls were made. Think about that, what those calls might entail, how they could be traced..yet nobody's talking?
So why are they not? job done at that point, maybe, or was there more than just the phone calls to be addressed..job not finished by a long ways.
My guess would be the latter...and Mueller, is keeping a tight ship, that's for sure.
There one other thing to consider, how did Trump actually become accepted by the GOP as their candidate for President...he wasn't the 'popular' candidate, while he was 'vetted' long before the campaign as being the best candidate...think about that too.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:54 PM
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Trump could even be filmed while riding on the back of the russian bear, together with Putin at three in the morning, in Mar a Lago. The Trumpeteers would have an excuse and of course this would be by no chance a part of Trumps russia collision the whole world can see, except the Trumpeteers.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: neo96

They were fired for incompetance,lying,and the ones who are quitting want to get out of the country fast before indictments go out,you liberal's can't believe the truth but you sure fall for some tall tales



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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October 7: Within hours of the release of the Access Hollywood tape, which dealt a serious blow to the Trump campaign, Wikileaks releases the first in a series of 60,000 emails belonging to Podesta. Wikileaks effectively acts as an arm of the Trump campaign in a “mutual understanding” to deflect attention away from the sex scandal. 


The Access Hollywood tape was a sex scandal? Hahaha.

People actually think Wikileaks released the Clinton emails because of that tape??

That's quite delusional.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: neo96

They were fired for incompetance,lying,and the ones who are quitting want to get out of the country fast before indictments go out,you liberal's can't believe the truth but you sure fall for some tall tales


I'm a liberal?



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

U do know the USA supported real NAZI that overthrew the Ukraine government. The real criminals here is the US Government not Russia.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: neo96

They were fired for incompetance,lying,and the ones who are quitting want to get out of the country fast before indictments go out,you liberal's can't believe the truth but you sure fall for some tall tales


I'm a liberal?




I laughed for a solid minute over this exchange.


As for the OP: Am I the only one that thinks all parties involved here stink to high heaven? It seems both sides are trying to win a war of attrition by making the whole situation as convoluted as possible. There's so many unknowns that no one should be able to form a strong opinion of what's going on.

If KT Macfarlane really said in an email that Russia delivered the election for Trump, that's pretty damn scandalous in its own right.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft



These are Trumps crimes - punishable by death, no trial necessary.


Said no one ever.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

The mandate us for collusion. Seems like it was set up to fail.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

So you're convinced (you say this multiple times in every one of these threads) that this is all made up (and remember, you did say several times in the Strzok-Page text thread that their texts were actually MADE UP by these people, that the texts aren't real) that the people we've been discussing in these threads are doing all of this, or pretending to do all of this, so that we don't see that things haven't changed? Or they are doing all of this/fabricating these things so that we won't notice that things are getting worse, socially?

You do realize that you just suggested that we are being purposefully divided amongst ourselves by our elected reps and associated agencies so that we don't notice how badly we are divided?

I'm not sure you've thought your theory all the way through man.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
so that we don't see that things haven't changed?


What's changed?

Both teams are ignoring any facts that don't support their world view.

There's an independent council investigating a draft dodging President and his associates, we're bombing the Middle East, George Soros has a big time in with the White House and the income gap is growing.

That sounds like 1994.

Ya. And that huge threat from North Korea? The International Community is throwing the Olympics a stone throw from its border. Lets go to war says the MSM.

# me running what happened to this place?



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:20 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
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MSM = ZERO credibility.

The Daily Beast = political propaganda masquerading as legitimate journalism...


Source: Fraud, Fabrications and Faceplants: The Daily Beast Couldn't Stop Failing In 2015 - Breitbart



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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:34 AM
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Exactly what crime was Trump charged with again?How come after over a year of investigation still nothing against him?
If so obviously guilty??



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