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Trump supporters ARE NOW THE ESTABLISHMENT!

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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: DBCowboy




All I see is a guy (Trump) who wants to lower taxes and strengthen our borders and bring business back to the US.


All I see is a draft dodger that was f****ng a porn star when his wife was giving birth to his son Barron.

I guess it's a matter of perception...

I'll take honor and integrity everytime...



Yeah, how much is honor and integrity going for nowadays?

Hope you guys saved up.






posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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Personally I find it quite insulting that these people have the gull to label themselves as some sort of truth seekers or purveyors of radical change. Do not be mistaken, we are still the counterculture, we are still the anti-establishment, we are still outside the mainstream, and we will always run against the grain, against lies and manufactured morality. I don't doubt most of them have good intentions but mix that with naivety and the path to hell is easily paved.

Being Anti-Establishment is Now Trendy



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Meh, you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Your gripe here is circular in nature... the new Admin and Party hasn't cleansed enough of the old guards' filth from DC to be considered "the establishment" yet...



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: DBCowboy




All I see is a guy (Trump) who wants to lower taxes and strengthen our borders and bring business back to the US.


All I see is a draft dodger that was f****ng a porn star when his wife was giving birth to his son Barron.

I guess it's a matter of perception...

I'll take honor and integrity everytime...


Funny thing, observations and perception. You see Trump having sex (eww... not something I'd want to admit to seeing, but to each his own, ya?) but I see a paycheck with almost $100 more of my own money in it this week versus the paycheck I received 2 weeks ago. I see laws being enforced over feels. I see roadblocks in front of the previously unfettered desecration of American exceptionalism. I see hope that extends beyond personal dislike of a politician and instead focuses on the true human condition: namely "what can this guy's policies do for me for a change?" That's unique considering how many years I've been saying "Ack, look what this jackass's policies are doing TO me" about past POTUSes.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:15 PM
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Having seen what is going on at the local levels of government, the federal government, read what the op has posted and the comments the following can be stated:
The first thing that many people will not admit to, and this is a truth: No politician will ever tell the truth.
Many politicians will tell half of the truth, often cherry picking data and spinning it to what they want to be, even if the results are not what they want.
And many will buy what the politician is selling, even when the end result is not so good to them. There have been documentaries and studies on this. Politicians sell promises and fantasies of what could be, when the reality is far different and will most often not pan out for the people, but it sure will for the politicians.

I do not believe that Trump supporters are now the establishment. And it goes down both party lines, where there are those that are Democrat that are just as overzealous as those who are Trump supporters.

This is a problem that has been boiling up for a long time, it is nothing new. And as much as many would like to proclaim that the USA is one of the best countries, the current events have brought to light, some of the more serious problems that have always been present. And as much as some would say that some of the issues are not that big, they are mistaken and tend to try to pass it off and lie to not only the public but also themselves, often ending up with either very tragic consequences, or embarrassing career ending mistakes.

Many of the issues that we consider important today, the government has never wanted to solve even when it was within its power to do such. It is always put off until tomorrow, and then quietly forgotten and saved until 2 specific times. The first time that issues are brought up, is election time. Then it is on the forefront of the politician that something needs to be done, and they have a plan. The other time that an issue that is brought up, is when it becomes a convenient distraction to use to focus attention away from what they are really doing. Ever see a magician work, and behind the scenes? They distract and then amaze the people with simple tricks. Most magicians are good, but the politicians are better at the art of smoke and mirrors. And both parties do this.

Now another thing that has been coming up, is that there is a lack of both understanding or accepting of the rights that are out there. And how many seem to think that by not applauding the president when he speaks is somehow disrespectful, yet ignore that the guy prior, they did the exact same thing. It is endless one side opens up a door, the other sides uses it, the first side complains and cries foul, all the while forgetting that they did the exact same thing that started this.

The other sad truth to all of this, is that the politicians are bought and paid for, long before they are voted into office. The biggest political donners often will give money to the politicians, who then once in office will either vote in favor of, or against that which the donor is for or against.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox


It just blows my mind watching the conspiracy crowd become pro-government shills..


Trump and the gop own every legislative branch, most of the governors and the presidency..


You are not “holding TPTB to task..” you are being pro-government stooges..

It’s the most blantant bait and switch since the Iraq war.. and the same people who perpetrated that lie, with the exception of the president..


None of the presidents appointments were against the invasion..

I have no idea how the people getting screwed, decide to shill for the ones doing the screwing..










posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

And now your on theside of the pro government shills...



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Well trumpis now the establishment..


I should have said his supporters are supporting the establishment..



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

And trump insulting POWs because they got caught...



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: sdcigarpig

Well trumpis now the establishment..


I should have said his supporters are supporting the establishment..


If Trump is for lower taxes and smaller government and secure borders, and he is considered establishment (and by extension his supporters) then this would dictate that anyone who is for open borders, higher taxes, bigger government would be anti-establishment.

According to your logic.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Trump is just an entertaining clown...It's going to get interesting when Kelly leaves.


Some of the authoritarians should perhaps read up on the art of war and take heed:



“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” Lao Tzu


I see a lot of folks calling a lot of names and making big claims.
I see the Congress passing legislation that the people cried out for---lower taxes, less red tape and no insurance mandate.

I see a lot more people screeching and calling names.
I see Trump doing deals to bring good manufacturing jobs back to the US like the people asked him to do.

So, by all means, keep screaming at the sky and thinking you're smarter than a guy who took a million, turned it billions and won his first ever political office by talking straight to the people. Keep whining about how he doesn't allow the msm to twist his words by putting his words right out for the world to see. Keep trying to get him banned from social media.

Meanwhile those of us who are paying attention to what is actually happening---even msm is reporting the mass exodus of high level members of the "team" of the former administration. Some are taking jobs at WalMart after being exposed by their own words in emails they assumed would never be seen by the public.

Yeah, Trump is just a clown. But right about now---I wonder how many of his opponents are becoming clown-phobic 'cause it's lookin' pretty scary for them.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

When you start telling others to stop rehashing the same threads over and over again daily on identical topics, that's when I'll stop. But as I see it right now these forums seem to relish in people making the same points over and over again ad nauseam as long as it fits with their preconceived notions.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I didn't mean stop posting your one and only talking point


I'm really not the censorship type. You are free to do as you wish, just like me.

I simply meant you should probably stop trying to reiterate whatever point it is you're trying to make to me because we're clearly on different pages and I keep trying to end our futile conversation.



Have a blessed day E1.



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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox


It just blows my mind watching the conspiracy crowd become pro-government shills..


Trump and the gop own every legislative branch, most of the governors and the presidency..


You are not “holding TPTB to task..” you are being pro-government stooges..

It’s the most blantant bait and switch since the Iraq war.. and the same people who perpetrated that lie, with the exception of the president..


None of the presidents appointments were against the invasion..

I have no idea how the people getting screwed, decide to shill for the ones doing the screwing..



Because your word has any merit when it comes to unbiased political views. I would've read your entire post but I threw up in my mouth a little after your second sentence. You truly disgust me to that level.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I apologize for being so blunt with you, I know that in the end we all want the same thing which is truth. Our ideologies and opinions may rub against one another and cause friction every now and then but I try to keep that fact in mind even if I fail to remember it sometimes.

You have a great day too kh.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Ursushorribilis

If you think pardoning a bank that you owe millions to is dishonest.... what would honest person do? Not pardon them? That makes no sense. The honest person would provide a pardon. I don't understand you logic here... help me out.




posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: TreetopControl

An honest person wouldn't have made deals behind closed doors to get their debt pardoned. It's called a conflict of interest and it reeks of corruption.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You're a joke. Nobody except leftist care what you say anymore. Echo-chamber nonsense.



posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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It's funny that when everybody wants to get rid of life long politicians and the way we have been abused and want real change.
Then somebody starts doing it.

It is not about supporting a man, it is about what the man is doing.
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posted on Feb, 10 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Regardless, she had no business saying it, it only fuelled a fire..and really, she is as deplorable as they come.




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