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Trump supporters ARE NOW THE ESTABLISHMENT!

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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: bulwarkz

What?!?!


The reverse would be if the democrats won all three branches. Then they would be the establishment. And those supporting them blindly would be supporting the pro-government establishment..


I have no idea what the rest of your post is even attempting to say..

So this is likely off topic, but..


No elected democrat ever supported antifa..

The right wing propaganda whores go find some random college kid with no authority and no following and pretend they get to speak for everyone not conservative enough for Sean hannity..


The left doesn’t really seeem do the whole “your with ya or against us” tripe..


The left acknoges there are conservative, moderate and liberal sources.. that there are thousands of different groups all in competition with different goals and such..

For conservatives there is the MSM and then conservatives..

For the right there is only 2 teams..


“Your with us, or against us..”


A logistically laughable world view, but the intellectuals , scientists , teachers and college professors are about 99% liberals..


So they don’t fall for as the same propaganda..


If the left tried to pretend “the whole world is in a vast illuminati level conspiracy to make the left look bad” it never flys..


Left wing conspiracies require something that is logistically possible..


Left wing : a handful of scientists are being paid off by big oil, to muddy the waters about climate change.

Right wing: 95%+ of scientists are in a vast illuminati type conspiracy to lie about climate change.. for OBAMA..

Lol.. one takes a couple amoral buisnessmen.. the other would take divine intervention.

Lol
This entire post..... just opinion.....you just happen to favor left wing ideologies. How does that make you and the left anti establishment and the right pro establishment? You are just plain wrong about the Climate Change thing....oh by the way the sun is supposed to "go cold" by 2025. See you then.... and in the meantime wheres your conspiracy hat whenever we talk about Agenda 21? If you were truly anti establishment you would see through Agenda 21. Its not even left/right, as liberal Democrat Rosa Koire exposed a lot of it in her work and she has many speaking engagements in the Tea Party groups. The Climate Change ruse is clearly Agenda 21 at work with many such as Al Gore and Bill Gates part of the elite groups pushing it....members of the Club of Rome and such. Wheres your conspiracy hat when Bill Gates uses his Microsoft millions to push Common Core.....the educational standards pushed on us with his momentum on Big Business, and using the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation to buy it on behalf of the Federal Government, who clearly overstepped their Constitutional bounds on it. Were you even aware that he teamed up with Pearson, the certification and testing giant, to push having tests that parents and teachers don't even see? I think you need to do more research.
By the way, Trump is trying to do what he was elected to do. Who is against him? The "Politico-Media Complex" en.wikipedia.org... The Democrat Party, Establishment GOP, George Soros, Obama, Hillary, Bush Jr., and Hollywood, and liberal leaning big business such as Starbucks. Oh yes, and the Feminist movement, Antifa(read Hillary), and Black Lives Matter.
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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus


Are you an anti-government person? I think many of us pro Trump are for limited government not anarchy. Theres a difference right there.


There is the flaw right there.
People want a government to serve their self interests and less government for everyone else.
It snowballs from there until we have what we have today.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I said establishment and pro-government..

Not anti-government anarcists.


No I am not anti-government, nor pro-government.

I am anti-propaganda, and imho the right wing propaganda is just so, so much more obvious. People have the right to make informed decisions.


Everytime they highlight some random individual with no authority or following and pretend they represent “the left”. that’s propaganda..


And I promise you can scroll through ANY conservative site and you will find multiple examples of this..

The left focuses on elected officials and other bigwigs... because they count and have followings..

Some random college kid doesn’t count and doesn’t have a following...



If it is not an elected official or leader of some big group , speaking for that group.. it is irrelevant. You can find one idiot saying ANYTHING you want.

All the conservative talking points are based on things no one with authority is saying..


The left wing politicians say: “we want to ban the NEW sales of assault rifles with a grandfather clause that leaves the millions already in circulation perfectly legal..”


The rights rebuttal: “they want to repeal the second amendment and confiscate all the guns!”



It is propaganda a toddler should be able to see through...



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: sdcigarpig

Well trumpis now the establishment..


I should have said his supporters are supporting the establishment..


If Trump is for lower taxes and smaller government and secure borders, and he is considered establishment (and by extension his supporters) then this would dictate that anyone who is for open borders, higher taxes, bigger government would be anti-establishment.

According to your logic.

He has done none of that.
His tax cuts reward the establishment bankers that own DC.
We still have wide open borders, when really Trump should be going after business owners that hire illegals.
He has not decreased the size of government but increased it with more spending.

Same as the last 5 knucklehead puppets
Whoa.... show us your numbers on that statement. Lower taxes is lower taxes. It's patently ridiculous to assert that only a few rich are benefiting...it's just that Marxists believe that the bougeois need to be sacked and that money given away to others. And just to make you aware ... the Progressive Incone tax is one Of the Planks of the Communist Manifesto.
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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I said establishment and pro-government..

Not anti-government anarcists.


No I am not anti-government, nor pro-government.

I am anti-propaganda, and imho the right wing propaganda is just so, so much more obvious. People have the right to make informed decisions.


Everytime they highlight some random individual with no authority or following and pretend they represent “the left”. that’s propaganda..


And I promise you can scroll through ANY conservative site and you will find multiple examples of this..

The left focuses on elected officials and other bigwigs... because they count and have followings..

Some random college kid doesn’t count and doesn’t have a following...



If it is not an elected official or leader of some big group , speaking for that group.. it is irrelevant. You can find one idiot saying ANYTHING you want.

All the conservative talking points are based on things no one with authority is saying..


The left wing politicians say: “we want to ban the NEW sales of assault rifles with a grandfather clause that leaves the millions already in circulation perfectly legal..”


The rights rebuttal: “they want to repeal the second amendment and confiscate all the guns!”



It is propaganda a toddler should be able to see through...





do you not know the difference between Big Government and Limited Government ? You seem to be asserting that somehow anyone for government at all is "establishment" and yet you claim you are not anti establishment. I see you promoting leftist rhetoric all the time. Don't you know that the leftist radical diaper doper babies of anti establishment got control of the WH when Obama got in? Don't you know that Obama was the protege of Bill Ayers?



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus


Same as the last 5 knucklehead puppets ... the Progressive Incone tax is one Of the Planks of the Communist Manifesto.


Most of our taxes are to support and enrich Big Corporations and Globalists so they should paying for it all.
The interstate system was built to benefit them.
Our global military is to benefit them.

What happens if our roads and interstate system went away and we got rid of our Global Military and went back to self defense only defending our borders?
Local Economies would make a huge comeback with Mom and Pops that do not have stocks on Wall Street and actually serve their communities.

You could say goodbye to Wall Street where the top 10% own 80% of the stocks.
You could say goodbye to many Corporations and Banks purchasing politicians.

If your a Globalist, you should be taxed 100% or put 6 feet under.

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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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Trump was always Establishment. He has never made any secret of it.

He filled his cabinet with the same people who brought us the global financial crisis of 2008. He has deregulated to make it easier for them to do business in the same way as before. He has thrown money and tax breaks at them.

The only people who don't see this are the people who don't want to see this, people too emotionally invested in Trump's window displays. The OP won't make a blind bit of difference to them and their world view.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


A) Lol you just helped prove my point..

The left doesn’t consider there only being 2 teams..

That is a rightwing thing... illogical as hell, but a rightwing thing..

Just because your not pro-government, doesn’t inherently mean your anti-government..

Obviously..

B) When did I say me or the left were anti- government???

In fact I think quite a few trump supporters pride themselves o being anti-government and anti-establishment. All the while being pro-government and pro-establishment shills. Now that that side has taken power..

They seem to have the opinion that “anything I don’t like is pro-government and anything I do like is anti-government”..

Even when it is the people who run every branch of government giving them their marching orders..


C) that stuff is not opinion. All those are common propaganda tactictics that can befound on the list of logical fallacies in ANY DEBATE CLASS..



Which side die it more is testable.. opinions are not testable..and We could have absolutely have a test..


We each pick 1 left and 1 rightwing site. Then see how many objectively propaganda stories we can find.

There have been countless studies and such showing that people who ONLY watch conservative media are less informed than those who watch no media at all..

It is not even good propaganda..

D) again you prove my point by saying “the sun will go cold in 2025”..


That isn’t even remotely the mainstream view.. I’ve never even heard it and I frequent a conspiracy forum lol..

I assume that is the view of some random nobody with no following that for some reason brietbart has decided gets to speak for the 95% of scientists who agree with man made climate change.


That logical fallacy even has its own funny little Latin name..


F) all those names you listed mean NOTHING in the real world.. there is no vast conspiracy to make republicans look bad and discredit jesus. Lol..

The smartest people on the planet disagree with conservatism because it is based on keeping the traditions of the past. Rather than innovation..

That is the Webster’s dictionary for right wing and conservative..

Tradition>innovation..

The left or liberal dictionary definition is:

Innovation >tradition


That is why what is rightwing this generation will die, and what is left wing this generation will become the rightwing stance.

Just like has happened repeatedly..

Look at previous generations rightwing....

They are dead, and the left wing of a generation ago. Has become the rightwing today.



(Ps: you have got to space that stuff out migo.. I’m too lazy to think up clever signal and traditional phrases . So I do either...

A)
B)
C)

Or

1)
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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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Fun thread, reading people argue about "opinions".



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: jidnum

I don’t see how saying that the people who run every branch of government is the establishment is “an opinion.”

That seems pretty subjective to me.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: jidnum

I don’t see how saying that the people who run every branch of government is the establishment is “an opinion.”

That seems pretty subjective to me.


Who runs every branch of Govt?



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Trump is anti establishment moron. The Establishment is basically the global bankers IMF, World Bank, Feds, they controlled the politicians, deep state, and economies.

Trump lowering taxes helps America in general and prevents the globalist from sucking out all our resources and businesses so they can push their globalism nonsense.

Marxists are stupid as sh17. They are the lemons that help the globalists out the most. They intentionally try to sabotage the US economy by making it less competitive against the world so they can suck out our wealth. There is a reason why Marxists are considered International Socialist, it resembles the globalists, it's all about redistribution of wealth, but Nation State wise.
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posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001
Do you have a link to the "pardon"? That was my question. The talking point as stated by anti-Trumpists is that he has "pardoned" the bank to which he owes money. That is a flat-out untruth---LIE. And you have no problem with promoting that LIE?

Perhaps you should write the president a letter and let him know that he needs to "do something" about them. A plan for "doing something" could be included since you seem to know what he should be doing but isn't doing.

Are you personally "doing something" about the banksters---like not handing your money over to them? Are you using a small, local bank rather than a multi-national conglomerate? It seems to be a "thing" with trendies---to bash the banksters, then pull out their Citibank card to pay for their overpriced coffee. Makes my head spin.

Additionally, if Trump is part of the establishment, why is the establishment fighting him tooth and nail at every turn? Why is the msm not singing his praises in the same manner they sang the praises of the previous administration? Why did the establishment Republicans do everything in their power to keep him from winning the nomination?

And before you begin complaining about partisanship---I owe no allegiance to any party. I was not a Trump voter. I was not an Obama voter but in both cases I sat back and watched their actions. What I've seen come out of the first year of Trump's administration had direct, local impact in the form of jobs manufacturing jobs coming to our county and to the surrounding area. More money in the paychecks of my friends and relatives due to the tax reform that he got pushed through Congress and more of their money in their pockets due to lifting the insurance mandate. Now $400-500/month in their paychecks may be crumbs to you and Nancy but to my relatives it means they can make an extra mortgage payment and reduce their debt pretty darned significantly over a couple of years.

So if you can come up with a link to the "pardon" that the Dems keep talking about I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise I would appreciate it if you would point out to your fellow Dems that it is false.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:26 PM
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30 years of leftists taking over media, education, finance, policy etc.

Finally get a POTUS that upholds some conservative values and has to fight tooth and nail against cultural marxists and the deep state to get anything done.

"hurr durr Trump is the establishment now"



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

What I find really interesting is the hypocrisy that that both parties are showing and the flipping on issues and support should be a wake up call to all in the country, that these parties no long stand for the platforms that appeal to many, and those platforms that are there, we should be wary of.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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If that were the case then why would the established media be in full smear mode ever since the primaries? They don't go after their own horses...



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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Many Trump supporters are saying that they don't care what he does or doesn't do, or says, or whatever. They'll vote for him again no matter what.

This is akin to the mass brainwashing that you see in many cults and religions. People believe Dear Leader no matter how outrageous the claims and will carry on regardless of issues with their own safety or well being.

It's going to take 2-3 generations to stop this sort of programming that many on the extremes of both sides have now accepted as normal.

A recent survey found that 55% of the fake news in the WORLD had been read by Donald Trump supporters on the far right of American politics. They'll pretty much believe that anything bad that's said about Hillary Clinton, the Democrats, CNN, George Soros, or any political bad guy of the moment is completely true, while anything bad said about Donald Trump is complete lies generated by the fake news media. They simply won't accept that anything bad they see could possibly be true.

Millions of Americans are basically in the grip of a political mind cult and don't even realize that this isn't normal.



posted on Feb, 11 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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The Globalists Bankers want more money for themselves and less for everyone else, and the tax cuts have done exactly that. Otherwise, they would have made the tax cuts for the little people permanent.

Not really sure how permanent anything can be in Washington except for the fact that we are taxed enough already (TEA in the Tea Party) and theres no tax the Democrats dont like and the RINO GOP as well because they also like stupid stuff like Clown Schools in Brazil to spend our tax dollars on. People keep saying America shouldn't be the police of the world, well we also shouldn't be the Great Sugar Daddy of the world, but the World sure likes to take our money dont they.



posted on Feb, 12 2018 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: HorizonFall
If that were the case then why would the established media be in full smear mode ever since the primaries? They don't go after their own horses...


Great question and analysis, H. 👍

If OP could look past his epic cognitive dissonance and ask himself that question while truly seeking an honest answer he would stop being stupendously clueless. 💡




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