It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Christosterone
And now your on theside of the pro government shills...
originally posted by: bulwarkz
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Christosterone
And now your on theside of the pro government shills...
If I am following your [il]logic correctly from one of your threads to another,
then those on opposite sides of the spectrum now magically change their ideals 180*
So now that Trump is pres. all his supporters are now progressives and blindly allying with ism's of some sort. So are conservatives on their way to supporting blm, feminazis, antifa, etc.?
This is your logic train from thread to thread.
This is confusing because shouldn't you be happy about this? Ya'know, being on the loser side an all
originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: JoshuaCox
People elected an outsider to the White House, even despite the best effort made by the entire establishment complex who tried their hardest to get their candidate elected.
Just because you managed to "hack" into the establishment game, does not make you a part of them.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: intrptr
Those in power are a few steps ahead of the masses at all times. They've actually got people thinking there's a power struggle at the top, and OF COURSE it's all a partisan game. Democrats vs Republicans, the most divisive tool they've got in their arsenal. Look at all the people using the terms "left" and "right" on these boards as if they mean anything or are different from each other.
People are so gullible it's sad. Trump is not an underdog fighting the establishment, he's an establishment puppet playing his part, along with every other big name politician in the spotlight. They're playing out a drama and following the script that's been given to them.
"Democrat this, Republican that." So predictable.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Nikola014
And when that outsider takes power, and runs every branch of government and all Law Enforcement branches, they become...
Wait for it...
Wait for it..
The establishment..
BY DEFINITION..
originally posted by: diggindirt
originally posted by: Ursushorribilis
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
There are legitimately honest and fair criticisms of Trump. Like him pardoning a bank he owes millions to.
Got a link to back up that claim? I've heard it a lot but nobody has put up any info that would confirm it.
Are you speaking of this? www.usatoday.com...
NEW YORK — Five banks, including a big lender to President Donald Trump, have received temporary reprieves from the administration to run businesses that they otherwise would have had to shut down after criminal convictions.
The Labor Department granted Deutsche Bank a waiver from punishment allowing it to continue to manage pension funds and individual retirement accounts for another three years, according to an announcement in the Federal Registry soon after the decision last month. Four other banks convicted in criminal cases were also granted waivers.
The Labor Department said Wednesday that Deutsche Bank got no special deal, and noted that the Obama administration had originally proposed a more valuable waiver lasting five years, instead of the three ultimately granted.
“Any insinuation of special treatment is counter to these facts,” said department spokesman Jeffrey Grappone.
The Labor Department waivers stem from the criminal convictions over the manipulation of the London Interbank Loan Rate, or Libor, a measure used to set lending rates for a variety of financial transactions. In 2015, units of Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan Chase, Barclays Capital, UBS Asset Management and Citigroup agreed to a deferred prosecution by which they could avoid certain punishments.
So where is the "pardon"?
The Obama administration had proposed five years for the waiver and Trump's people cut to three. How is that better for the bank? Would you rather force the bank to close those pension and retirement plans without notice? Why do you wish to punish people who had nothing to do with the crimes committed by the bank's administration?
Perhaps you have a link about a different "pardon"?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: sdcigarpig
Well trumpis now the establishment..
I should have said his supporters are supporting the establishment..
If Trump is for lower taxes and smaller government and secure borders, and he is considered establishment (and by extension his supporters) then this would dictate that anyone who is for open borders, higher taxes, bigger government would be anti-establishment.
According to your logic.
originally posted by: c2oden
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: sdcigarpig
Well trumpis now the establishment..
I should have said his supporters are supporting the establishment..
No.
Some people want the guilty to be held accountable for their crimes.
I am one.
originally posted by: diggindirt
The Labor Department granted Deutsche Bank a waiver from punishment allowing it to continue to manage pension funds and individual retirement accounts for another three years, according to an announcement in the Federal Registry soon after the decision last month. Four other banks convicted in criminal cases were also granted waivers.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: vonclod
They tanked the economy then came out the other end richer. That should tell you everything you need to know about them, and they still get away with basically murder every few years regardless of who's in office.
Just like when Reagan was elected the CFR still were around him
originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: JoshuaCox
People elected an outsider to the White House, even despite the best effort made by the entire establishment complex who tried their hardest to get their candidate elected.
Just because you managed to "hack" into the establishment game, does not make you a part of them.
I would hardly call Trump and outsider when he has admitted that he was their biggest fan, bribing politicians left and right to get things he wants done. What has Trump done about the CFR and Bilberberg Members that dominate DC?
Nothing.
Some of his cabinet members are long time CFR and Bilderberg Members
Then why is the media do against him? Why is Hollywood ripping him to shreds? I wholeheartedly disagree with your position, it's just that I'm conservative and by the fist I see you must be somewhat on the left side so naturally you are not going to like Trump. Yet you don't see what's different about what he's doing. The whole Democrat Party is against lower taxes so they attack Trump. Why do they want higher taxes ... because a Progressive income tax is necessary to transfer the wealth from
originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Nikola014
And when that outsider takes power, and runs every branch of government and all Law Enforcement branches, they become...
Wait for it...
Wait for it..
The establishment..
BY DEFINITION..
It takes some mental gymnastics to say a president is not a politician and part of the government.
Trump is carrying on the orders that Obama, Bush and so on have been following.
Are you an anti-government person? I think many of us pro Trump are for limited government not anarchy. Theres a difference right there.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: bulwarkz
What?!?!
The reverse would be if the democrats won all three branches. Then they would be the establishment. And those supporting them blindly would be supporting the pro-government establishment..
I have no idea what the rest of your post is even attempting to say..
So this is likely off topic, but..
No elected democrat ever supported antifa..
The right wing propaganda whores go find some random college kid with no authority and no following and pretend they get to speak for everyone not conservative enough for Sean hannity..
The left doesn’t really seeem do the whole “your with ya or against us” tripe..
The left acknoges there are conservative, moderate and liberal sources.. that there are thousands of different groups all in competition with different goals and such..
For conservatives there is the MSM and then conservatives..
For the right there is only 2 teams..
“Your with us, or against us..”
A logistically laughable world view, but the intellectuals , scientists , teachers and college professors are about 99% liberals..
So they don’t fall for as the same propaganda..
If the left tried to pretend “the whole world is in a vast illuminati level conspiracy to make the left look bad” it never flys..
Left wing conspiracies require something that is logistically possible..
Left wing : a handful of scientists are being paid off by big oil, to muddy the waters about climate change.
Right wing: 95%+ of scientists are in a vast illuminati type conspiracy to lie about climate change.. for OBAMA..
Lol.. one takes a couple amoral buisnessmen.. the other would take divine intervention.
Lol
Are you an anti-government person? I think many of us pro Trump are for limited government not anarchy. Theres a difference right there.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: bulwarkz
What?!?!
The reverse would be if the democrats won all three branches. Then they would be the establishment. And those supporting them blindly would be supporting the pro-government establishment..
I have no idea what the rest of your post is even attempting to say..
So this is likely off topic, but..
No elected democrat ever supported antifa..
The right wing propaganda whores go find some random college kid with no authority and no following and pretend they get to speak for everyone not conservative enough for Sean hannity..
The left doesn’t really seeem do the whole “your with ya or against us” tripe..
The left acknoges there are conservative, moderate and liberal sources.. that there are thousands of different groups all in competition with different goals and such..
For conservatives there is the MSM and then conservatives..
For the right there is only 2 teams..
“Your with us, or against us..”
A logistically laughable world view, but the intellectuals , scientists , teachers and college professors are about 99% liberals..
So they don’t fall for as the same propaganda..
If the left tried to pretend “the whole world is in a vast illuminati level conspiracy to make the left look bad” it never flys..
Left wing conspiracies require something that is logistically possible..
Left wing : a handful of scientists are being paid off by big oil, to muddy the waters about climate change.
Right wing: 95%+ of scientists are in a vast illuminati type conspiracy to lie about climate change.. for OBAMA..
Lol.. one takes a couple amoral buisnessmen.. the other would take divine intervention.
Lol
originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Then why is the media do against him? Why is Hollywood ripping him to shreds?
I wholeheartedly disagree with your position, it's just that I'm conservative and by the fist I see you must be somewhat on the left side so naturally you are not going to like Trump.
Yet you don't see what's different about what he's doing. The whole Democrat Party is against lower taxes so they attack Trump. Why do they want higher taxes ... because a Progressive income tax is necessary to transfer the wealth from
Working Americans. That's just one thing Trump has done. He's bringing back business to the States... all the Globalist make profits no matter where business goes but Democrats especially sabotaged business in the US with their stupid regulations. Should I go on?