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originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: AMPTAH
the supreme court appoints all FISA judges.....and they don't appoint stupid ones
Strange. I saw classified info in the Nunes memo.
I saw that "sources and methods" were revealed that we didn't know about.
In this case, what is revealed, is that the FBI doesn't only deceive the bad guys, they also deceive the good guys, like the judges, in order to carry out their schemes. The fact that they have to use deceptions on even the good guys in the game, is really "illuminating."
But, again, that all only works, when everything is done "in secret."
originally posted by: TheRedneck
In this case, the "sources and methods" were illegal, not legal techniques.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: TheRedneck
In this case, the "sources and methods" were illegal, not legal techniques.
It would be a strange government, that limited itself to legal techniques only.
Would be nice to see if such a government could actually function effectively.
We don't know, because nobody ever tried it.
Basically, all laws are introduced to regulate the actions of the majority of people, while not preventing a smaller minority from acting against them, once they do so in secret, and unexposed.
Hence, "the right to remain silent" and that a person is "presumed innocent, until proven guilty" is the way.
No one has broken the law, until they are "accused" of having done so, and even then, they still have to get their day in court, which has to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that they are guilty.
We have thus fashioned a society, where laws can be legally broken "in secret", with all the protections for these law breakers, until they are exposed.
Hence the need for "classified" operations.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: TheRedneck
In this case, the "sources and methods" were illegal, not legal techniques.
It would be a strange government, that limited itself to legal techniques only.
Would be nice to see if such a government could actually function effectively.
We don't know, because nobody ever tried it.
Basically, all laws are introduced to regulate the actions of the majority of people, while not preventing a smaller minority from acting against them, once they do so in secret, and unexposed.
Hence, "the right to remain silent" and that a person is "presumed innocent, until proven guilty" is the way.
No one has broken the law, until they are "accused" of having done so, and even then, they still have to get their day in court, which has to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that they are guilty.
We have thus fashioned a society, where laws can be legally broken "in secret", with all the protections for these law breakers, until they are exposed.
Hence the need for "classified" operations.
presidents can be impeached and removed from office for any reason.....they do not have to be proven guilty in a court of law......and our spy agencies don't have to prove in a court of law that foreigners are spying on the U.S. to obtain a FISA warrant, a FISA warrant is issued when there is reasonable evidence for further investigation which needs to be renewed every3 months. they are investigating agencies, they have no power to prosecute or convict, that's up to the justice department.......this is political science, not rocket science......jesus, read a book, or take a course
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: soberbacchus
Strangely she accepted a job with Wallmart, which is of course owned by Trump ally and Billionaire Sam Walton.
Something is brewing.
Samuel Moore Walton (March 29, 1918 – April 5, 1992) was an American businessman and entrepreneur best known for founding the retailers Walmart and Sam's Club.
Sam Walton has been dead for over a quarter century. Are we claiming Trump is channeling ghosts for nefarious purposes now?
TheRedneck
originally posted by: Abysha
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: theantediluvian
WH is saying that the Dems memo 'contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages' and when Trey Gowdy was interviewed last week he said that the 'Dems were smart enough to put information in the memo that would make it difficult for the WH to release'.
and color-me-blind - now, here we are.
The people in charge of our national security (that Trump appointed) told him the same exact thing about the one he released.
originally posted by: jimmyx
presidents can be impeached and removed from office for any reason.....they do not have to be proven guilty in a court of law......and our spy agencies don't have to prove in a court of law that foreigners are spying on the U.S. to obtain a FISA warrant, a FISA warrant is issued when there is reasonable evidence for further investigation which needs to be renewed every3 months. they are investigating agencies, they have no power to prosecute or convict, that's up to the justice department.......this is political science, not rocket science......jesus, read a book, or take a course