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The begining of time.....Did you know only one literary work from the ages past addresses that

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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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Scripture....of all places

That's neat for the science existance sector....how do you spell existence? no one knows...anyway

But what about in the deep human arena of inner thoughts and feelings....you know....like when ya wonder why oneself is here on such a strange trip it's been....J. Garcia in the fine Texas Tradition....you think Spiritual thoughts. So along that line this " Scripture I read about "....says outright undeniably that God is spirit....so...that defines several aspects of what our inner man/woman...so hot....is so desperately searching for.

Jesus is the culprit that informed the world and all of His story, history....that God is a spirit, means we can expect magic from Him what seems like magic to me anyway. then I swear I read and I'm not paraphrasing the coolest thing ever....God said in Issahaaih I think it was that , speaking of His relationship to us , His creation in spirit " we are all sojourners......in this together " ha blew me away

then Jesus says we are His friends, not servants.......because the servants are not told of the plans but the friends are. mind blown....more

Jesus is the only relationship where He officially promises to return for us to save us.....but will actually come for us here.

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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

You know some religions have their Gods being born in a pod on a tree

two at a time

Soo,,,,yea, there's that stuff uhuh


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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: GBP/JPY
a reply to: GBP/JPY

You know some religions have their Gods being born in a pod on a tree



You know some people see God after eating Tide pods?



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: Anathros

Hehe ...no seriously true story ? Tide best for cleanest clean


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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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something may occur by April....the end of the Jubilee.....occur in Israel....then we're off to the races maybe, huh!



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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If my Sci books were all that survived ... you would be praying to:

Titarth - The Great Golden Dragon, Master of his Species!

The Bible was and is a manufactured book with much of the Old Testament based on an earlier Sumerian Religion.

I think it would be better to have Titarth to pray to.

At least I know he is not listening to prayers. God on the other hand can keep track of the prayers of Billions of people ... or at least ... that is the fantasy part.

Yeah!

P

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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

Sumerian pantheons have a "beginning of time" mythology that predates the old testament.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: dug88

If there's no intelligent God, then why do we gut those things you described being done to us if we live a lousy life? Where's that come from, evolution?



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: dug88

If there's no intelligent God, then why do we gut those things you described being done to us if we live a lousy life? Where's that come from, evolution?


It comes from the people around you being an asshole back to you when you treat them like #.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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Time is an illusion eternal in both direction colliding into the present and yet no discernible point except the next moment in awareness that graps some phenomena. Arising and passing stop the grasping and it all arises and passes in an instant and eternity practice of such is just called meditation.




posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: Abysha
Except that the bible doesn't. Where does the bible talk about the "beginning of time"?

The phrase "In the beginning" doesn't count cause it isn't talking about the "beginning of time". It's often talking about the beginning of the subject spoken of in that sentence wherever it's found or there is other information available in the bible that clarifies what it's talking about.

John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: “In the beginning the Word [Gr., Loʹgos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god [“was divine,” AT; Mo; or “of divine being,” Böhmer; Stage (both German)]. This one was in the beginning with God.” Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), the Word’s being with God from “the beginning” must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah’s creative works. This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as “the firstborn of all creation,” “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.

That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.​—Joh 6:56, 57.

Source: Jesus Christ: Insight, Volume 2

Obviously, an eternal God cannot logically have a beginning like "the Word". Just like it's logically impossible for an eternal God to have been created (have been caused to come into existence), otherwise this particular God would not be "eternal" and that word would not be applicable. Just a reminder for those who think they're being clever by asking the, what appears to them, challenging question: 'Oh yeah, then who created God?' Which only shows they haven't even given the mere possibility of the existence of an eternal God an inkling of thought. They haven't thought their question through very well and they're not being clever at all. It's certainly not an 'I got you now'-type of question as they often perceive it from their perspective (because of indoctrination and conditioning by this system of things, by popular media for example).

Revelation 3:14

14 “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:

Revelation 1:5a

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”

More corroborating evidence from Proverbs 8:22-30:


The existence of an eternal God also has logical implications for the concept of time. The word "eternal" is an indication of time. There was a time this eternal God was alone. Everyone else has a beginning and there was a time when they did not exist. Can anything be "eternal" if time had a beginning a specific number of years ago? It's the Islamic Kalam cosmological argument that argues that time has a beginning (one particular version of it) and then contradictory argues about an eternal God and it's Trinitarians (some prominent figures and debaters) that have picked up on it. But the bible doesn't teach it. It's also quite clear about the source of these contradictions.

1 Timothy 6:20

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.”* [Greek: gnosis; Latin: scientia; KJV: "science"]

Col. 2:8

8 Look out that no one takes you captive* [Or “carries you off as his prey.”] by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;

1 Peter 5:8

8 Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.

2 Cor. 11:12-15

12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis for being found equal to us in the things about which they boast. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.
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posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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Read the 'Popul Vuh."
It took the gods a few tries before they got it right on the creation of Man.



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posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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The begining of time.....Did you know only one literary work from the ages past addresses that



The Orphic Hymns, in many instances, address the beginning of time (Time / Chronos Aion).






Orphica, Rhapsodies Fragment 66 :

"This Khronos (Chronos, Unaging Time), of immortal resource, begot Aither (Aether, Light) [upper air] and great Khaos (Chaos, the Chasm) [lower air], vast this way and that, no limit below it, no base, no place to settle. Then great Khronos fashioned from (or in) divine Aither (Aether) a bright white egg [from which Phanes was born]."



Orphica, Argonautica 12 ff (trans. West) (Greek epic C4th to C6th A.D.) :

"Firstly, ancient Khaos's (Chaos') stern Ananke (Inevitability), and Khronos (Chronos, Time), who bred within his boundless coils Aither (Aether, Light) and two-sexed, two-faced, glorious Eros [the primordial Eros], ever-born Nyx's (Night's) father, whom latter men call Phanes, for he first was manifested."



Orphica, Theogonies Fragment 54 (from Damascius) (trans. West) (Greek hymns C3rd - C2nd B.C.) :

"Originally there was Hydros (Water), he [Orpheus] says, and Mud, from which Ge (Gaea, the Earth) solidified : he posits these two as first principles, water and earth . . . The one before the two [Thesis, Creation], however, he leaves unexpressed, his very silence being anintimation of its ineffable nature. The third principle [Khronos (Chronos), Time] after the two was engendered by these--Ge (Earth) and Hydros (Water), that is--and was a Serpent (Drakon) with extra heads growing upon it of a bull and a lion, and a god's countenance in the middle; it had wings upon its shoulders, and its name was Khronos (Chronos, Unaging Time) and also Herakles (Heracles). United with it was Ananke (Inevitability, Compulsion), being of the same nature, or Adrastea, incorporeal, her arms extended throughout the universe and touching its extremities. I think this stands for the third principle, occuping the place of essence, only he [Orpheus] made it bisexual [as Phanes] to symbolize the universal generative cause. And I assume that the theology of the [Orphic] Rhapsodies discarded the two first principles (together with the one before the two, that was left unspoken) [i.e., the Orphics discarded the concepts of Thesis, Khronos and Ananke], and began from this third principle [Phanes] after the two, because this was the first that was expressible and acceptable to human ears. For this is the great Khronos (Unaging Time) that we found in it [the Rhapsodies], the father of Aither (Aether, Light) [upper air] and Khaos (Chaos, the Chasm) [lower air]. Indeed, in this theology too [the Hieronyman Rhapsodies], this Khronos (Time), the serpent has offspring, three in number : moist Aither (Aether, Light)--I quote--, unbounded Khaos (Chaos), and as a third, misty Erebos (Darkness) . . . Among these, he says, Khronos (Chronos, Time) generated an egg--this tradition too making it generated by Khronos, and born ‘among’ these because it is from these that the third Intelligible triad is produced [Protogonos-Phanes]. What is this triad, then? The egg; the dyad of the two natures inside it--male and female--[Ouranos (Uranus) and Gaia (Gaea), Heaven and Earth], and the plurality of the various seeds between; and thirdly an incorporeal god [Phanes] with golden wings on his shoulders, bulls' heads growing upon his flanks, and on his head a monstrous serpent, presenting the appearance of all kinds of animal forms . . . And the third god of the third triad this theology too celebrates as Protogonos (First-Born) [Phanes], and it calls him Zeus the order of all and of the whole world, wherefore he is also called Pan (All). So much this second genealogy supplies concerning the Intelligible principles."



Orphica, Theogonies Fragment 57 (from Athenogoras) :

"The gods, as they [the Greeks] say, did not exist from the beginning, but each of them was born just as we are born . . . and Orpheus--who was the original inventor of the gods' names and recounted their births and said what they have all done, and who enjoys some credit among them as a true theologian, and is generally followed by Homer, above all about the gods--also making their first genesis from water : ‘Okeanos (Oceanus), who is the genesis of the all.’ For Hydros (Water) was according to him the origin of everything, and from Hydros (the Water) mud formed, and from the pair of them a living creature was generated with an extra head growing upon it of a lion, and another of a bull, and in the middle of them a god's countenance; its name was Herakles (Heracles) and Khronos (Chronos, Time). This Herakles generated a huge egg, which, being filled full, by the force of its engenderer was broken in two from friction. Its crown became Ouranos (Uranus, Heaven), and what had sunk downwards, Gaia (Gaea, Earth). There also came forth an incorporeal god [Protogonos-Phanes]."





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posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

For me the clue is in the real meaning of two words: Eternal and immortal.

This is my interpretation, so there is no reference.

Eternal - something that always being there. So the possibility of dying does not exist.
Immortal - something that came to be, will not decay (it can evolve), but the possibility of dying exist.

Time is just a measure of movement, as long as things keep moving, time will always be.


So God is beyond time, since He created it. He also created matter. But God made matter immortal, it exist in the confines of time but immortal (matter does not die but change into something else, but it can be destroyed only by Him). Genesis chapter 1 and 2

How did He create time?
By creating movement. Movement was created by saying the "WORD". When God said the word the universe was not created but organize it.(remember He created matter first). Genesis chapter 3 and on, the use of the phrase "And God says...", implies the use of a "word" (call it vibration or frequency).

So anything within the confines of the phrase "...and God said..." is bound to die as we know it.



posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

Moses's life is practically identical to Jesus. Don't get lost in your idol worship of Jesus.



posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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Text The Bible was and is a manufactured book with much of the Old Testament based on an earlier Sumerian Religion.

I did not know that the Sumerian pantheons of gods predated the Torah. In fact I have never read where the date and authors of Torah actually were available to us. Will you show us where to find that information?



posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Abysha


Text The Bible was and is a manufactured book with much of the Old Testament based on an earlier Sumerian Religion.

I did not know that the Sumerian pantheons of gods predated the Torah. In fact I have never read where the date and authors of Torah actually were available to us. Will you show us where to find that information?


and I am left wondering how do we know that the Sumerians didn't copy of the early Hebrews

It's all about what you want to believe



posted on Feb, 9 2018 @ 01:01 PM
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The early Hebrews were thousands of years later than Sumeria..that would be an easy clue.

Phoenicia Canaanites basically learnt everything from others and called it their own...and then changed the name to Hebrew.




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