It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Feminism.

page: 1
16
<<   2 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 08:27 AM
link   
Feminism
The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Let’s add to this with.
Let’s hold men responsible for biology.

NOTE: This is in the rant section. I’m not adding links or sources to the main post.

I’m going to be honest and say I hate feminism… or at least what it has become. I’d have been the first to cheer on Millicent Fawcett and Emmeline Pankhurst. Will I stand behind today’s feminist movement? No. Unequivocally, no.

Let’s look at the gender pay gap. A topic that has become a big issue… perhaps unnecessarily so. You see, a woman will arrive in her 30s and often (not always) be burdened with the choice – Do I continue my career or do I take time away and start a family? Men don’t have this issue and, it is by no fault of our own, that we cannot bear children.

So put yourself in the shoes of a company, looking at 2 perfectly EQUALLY educated people. One a woman, the other a man. A company will almost always look for growth, profit and success. Will they get this from hiring the man in his 30s, or a woman in her 30s? I’m sorry to say, on more times than not, the man will be chosen. This is because hiring women for certain, higher paying/more demanding roles is riskier - long term.

Do I necessarily like how that sounds? No. Do I think it’s fair? Maybe it isn’t – But we should not blame a company, nor men, for a woman’s ability/desire to have children. And we simply cannot change that fact… or the possible repercussions it can have on a female’s success/career. We are two different genders who, going back thousands of years and spanning across all species of life, have different roles in society.

Let’s look at another, wider issue, labeling everything as “sexist” I’ll highlight with the recent banning of the F1 “gird girls”. Now, I’m not an F1 fan but that’s beside the point. These girls are doing this job by choice. It is a career path they have chosen. So I wonder… why is this “sexist”? Are the Chippendales in Vegas sexist towards men? Or the diet coke ads, that show a topless man and women fawning over him, sexist towards men? I appreciate men have not dealt with the oppression women have, but this labeling of everything as “sexist” is massive over compensation.

I don’t want to sit here and bash years of progression. Women should have just as much right to education, success and respect as a man. In many countries – this is yet to be tackled. And I urge the women who are pinning “times up” badges on themselves to go to these countries and try make a difference over there, once they’re done pretending to eradicate the “seedy” out of the entertainment industry.

I’m not sitting here and telling women they CAN’T be successful, but in today’s world, you might have to fight harder, and perhaps sacrifice more than a man has to and it’s just that simple. My message to feminists here is – Go be a successful, powerful woman. But quit with the blaming and don’t expect men to just roll over.

edit on 8-2-2018 by MrConspiracy because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 08:36 AM
link   
For every extreme feminist there are heaps of normal feminists who understand the issues involved. I agree, the fundy type feminist give everyone a bad name but I think we still need to understand there is a balance needed
Not that I don't think you do, your rant was reasonably even handed.
Just have to understand what might be behind some of those knee jerk reactions by those militant feminists
There is no such thing as fair



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:14 AM
link   
a reply to: Raggedyman

Valid point here. Normal feminists do not pop up on your Youtube feed or shout in your face. Therefore we do not have much experience of them.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:21 AM
link   
Equality in the workplace goes two ways.

I've been in construction industry since I was 16, and have seen many female construction workers just as talented as the men they were working with.

That being said, I have seen guys unable to get one day off to see their own children born. I've seen many times, guys unable to go on vacations that were planned weeks to months in advance, with foreman and supervisors informed, only to be told "if you go, don't come back".
Or "we need you here, don't worry, you'll have plenty of time for that later".

Now how is it when a woman is pregnant, she gets(most of the time) medical leave for up to 3 months, and men are expected to be back at work after injuries well before they are healed?

I've also seen numerous jobs for completely useless woman in the office, causing headaches and costing companies money with mistakes, and yet make more money than the guys who do the actual job that keeps the company in buisness. These same guys make one mistake, and poof! Unemployed. ...

I've also never seen a guy get hired because he was totally without skill, but good looking. ...

And here in the states, who gets the all the fiscal responsibility for children, but loses their paternal rights at the drop of a hat? Men.

Sit in a courthouse for an afternoon, your bound to hear a judge tell a guy " be a man and take care of your kids bills ". But you'll never hear" quit acting like a fluzy, and get a job".

There are a good many cases of legitimate equality issues- for BOTH sexes. So why is it, Noone gives a damn about men?
edit on 8-2-2018 by Hewhowaits because: (no reason given)

edit on 8-2-2018 by Hewhowaits because: (no reason given)

I should add- No I'm not a vindictive, angry divorced dad. My wife and i are still doing fine after 4 kids and 3 grandkids, numerous hard times.
But I've had plenty of freinds and coworkers and employees get totally destroyed by divorce, and bitter awful ex-wives.
This is a very sore subject for me, as I see this every day due to the region I live.
edit on 8-2-2018 by Hewhowaits because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:36 AM
link   
The female vs male thing is just a divide, and conquer tool to keep the unaware masses fighting amoungst each other.

What better way to control things than to divide and/or destroy relationships by means of financial competition?

It basically comes down to our insatiable insanity for working like idiots, and not allowing time for what is natural in our lives. Trading time for money, time that we'll never get back.

We're a fear driven society, and money is an elusive tool to comfort fears. We think if we have more money we can pay all of our bills, take vacations, and buy bling that will make us happy, but there is never enough.Trading our finite time for money has become a vicious cycle, one that leaves us more unfulfilled than self-empowered.

We place so much emphasis on achieving, in this country, but in the end all the promotions, extra money, and titles mean nothing or very little, especially if we have compromised our families and relationships.


edit on 8-2-2018 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:46 AM
link   
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Today you can't say that men and women are different. That's not saying that ones better than the other, it's just that they are different.

I have a successful wife and a strong, smart daughter. They are wonderful but both have flaws just like me.

And I still don't buy the part about women getting paid less money thing.
Why would any profit minded company company hire men to do a job if a women could do it for less momey?



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:56 AM
link   

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Feminism
The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Let’s add to this with.


I'll make my own addition to that.... *One size doesn't fit all* there will always

be execptions.



Let’s look at the gender pay gap. A topic that has become a big issue… perhaps unnecessarily so.


There can never be a good reason for inequality in payment for a man and

a woman who are doing the same job. More especially when as has

been seen that the man gets more than twice what the woman gets.




You see, a woman will arrive in her 30s and often (not always) be burdened with the choice – Do I continue my career or do I take time away and start a family? Men don’t have this issue and, it is by no fault of our own, that we cannot bear children.


At 30 I already had three children, and supplemented the husbands wages

by working less than him (through an agency so I could pick times and the

better paying jobs) and earning more than him.



So put yourself in the shoes of a company, looking at 2 perfectly EQUALLY educated people. One a woman, the other a man. A company will almost always look for growth, profit and success. Will they get this from hiring the man in his 30s, or a woman in her 30s? I’m sorry to say, on more times than not, the man will be chosen. This is because hiring women for certain, higher paying/more demanding roles is riskier - long term.



A man I worked for for some time, who had his own business used to say

he would rather employ 'hand' picked women to work for him then men as

the were more reliable and worked harder, and were more adept at 'multi

tasking'.



Do I necessarily like how that sounds? No. Do I think it’s fair? Maybe it isn’t – But we should not blame a company, nor men, for a woman’s ability/desire to have children. And we simply cannot change that fact… or the possible repercussions it can have on a female’s success/career. We are two different genders who, going back thousands of years and spanning across all species of life, have different roles in society.


My experience is that women are more adaptable, and whats wrong with

a change of career?? The worst thing I can be told is that there is something

I cannot do .... because that is a challenge because I will do it or die in the

attempt ..... stubborn i believe its called!!




I don’t want to sit here and bash years of progression. Women should have just as much right to education, success and respect as a man. In many countries – this is yet to be tackled. And I urge the women who are pinning “times up” badges on themselves to go to these countries and try make a difference over there, once they’re done pretending to eradicate the “seedy” out of the entertainment industry.


Women can only make a difference through the governments of the countries

that they live in. Take Iran prior to the Ayatollah taking power women over there

looked every bit like, and had the same opportunities as women in the West, but

its far from that now!




I’m not sitting here and telling women they CAN’T be successful, but in today’s world, you might have to fight harder, and perhaps sacrifice more than a man has to and it’s just that simple. My message to feminists here is – Go be a successful, powerful woman. But quit with the blaming and don’t expect men to just roll over.


The young women of today dont realise just how lucky they are, I have survived

a time when I couldn't be a co mortgagee, or even have a mortgage with out a

male to co sign/guarantee. Couldn't take a loan or credit without a male guarantor.

Couldn't get the pill or a contraceptive device without her husbands written

permission. Couldn't go into a bar.

Given longer enough I'm sure I could remember more .... I'm just grateful for the

progress that has been made.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 09:57 AM
link   
a reply to: MrConspiracy

I read a quote a while back from someone I can't remember. But it basically said this;

"Why would women want to lower themselves to be equal to men?"




posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:02 AM
link   
Feminists aren't that bad, whenever you run into one just pat them on the behind and say, "You girls are doing awesome!".



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:10 AM
link   
a reply to: Hewhowaits




But I've had plenty of freinds and coworkers and employees get totally destroyed by divorce, and bitter awful ex-wives.



And no bitter awful unfaithful ex husbands


For every bitter awful ex wife there will be a bitter awful unfaithful ex husband somewhere.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:15 AM
link   
a reply to: eletheia

That's 100 % true.
I've sent a guy home before because he couldn't control his mouth on a job.
It was disgusting, and not good for anyone, including himself.
edit on 8-2-2018 by Hewhowaits because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:22 AM
link   
a reply to: eletheia

The broader issue of the gender pay gap comes from the positions held by women vs those by men. It's not about them doing the same job and being paid different, its about women taking lower paid jobs in a company, which brings to light the "gap"

Interestingly, where I work, a job opportunity got changed from full time to part time. The applicants changed from being predominantly male to being predominantly female once "part time hours" were offered.

I don't remember saying you "cannot do" anything. Also - "women are more adaptable" Don't be so sexist!

I jest.
edit on 8-2-2018 by MrConspiracy because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:28 AM
link   

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Today you can't say that men and women are different. That's not saying that ones better than the other, it's just that they are different.

I have a successful wife and a strong, smart daughter. They are wonderful but both have flaws just like me.

And I still don't buy the part about women getting paid less money thing.
Why would any profit minded company company hire men to do a job if a women could do it for less momey?


Different is the key though. Men and women are different. The role of a man and woman has been blurred and in many ways that was necessary. But it almost seems to me that a handful of women are being very entitled to "rights" they already legally have.

Gender pay gap explained a bit more above. It's not about women and men doing the same jobs and women being paid less. That's illegal.
edit on 8-2-2018 by MrConspiracy because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 10:56 AM
link   

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

The broader issue of the gender pay gap comes from the positions held by women vs those by men. It's not about them doing the same job and being paid different, its about women taking lower paid jobs in a company, which brings to light the "gap"


I suppose at one time jobs were advertised as *man wanted for* or *woman wanted

for* and the pay for that particular job?

But now when we have examples of presenters or newsreaders both doing the very

same job
shouldn't the salaries be exactly the same?



Interestingly, where I work, a job opportunity got changed from full time to part time. The applicants changed from being predominantly male to being predominantly female once "part time hours" were offered.


I dont find that surprising ..... the possibilities are that the women wanted

to work around their family commitments or nearer retirement age? It would be

a case of whether the extra time or the money were the most important?? ....

because inspite of so called equality women do more in the home usually



Also - "women are more adaptable" Don't be so sexist!

I jest.


I'm sure it has been well documented .... that women are naturally more adept

at multi tasking. If I'm wrong then I do appologise.

edit on 8-2-2018 by eletheia because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 11:12 AM
link   
Anyone who wants, needs or demands special treatment in the name of equality, doesn't understand what equality is.
Those are the ones I can't stand.
They don't understand that they can't have it both ways.



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 11:31 AM
link   

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Feminists aren't that bad, whenever you run into one just pat them on the behind and say, "You girls are doing awesome!".


And then tell them to go and make you a bacon sammich.... like NOW and not last month woman!
edit on 8-2-2018 by Lagomorphe because: I am crap



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 11:35 AM
link   

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Feminists aren't that bad, whenever you run into one just pat them on the behind and say, "You girls are doing awesome!".


Is it OK to say "nice butt" too?
edit on 8-2-2018 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 12:42 PM
link   

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Feminists aren't that bad, whenever you run into one just pat them on the behind and say, "You girls are doing awesome!".


Is it OK to say "nice butt" too?


If you give her permission to say so then I would say yes...



posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 12:46 PM
link   
a reply to: eletheia



The young women of today dont realise just how lucky they are, I have survived a time when I couldn't be a co mortgagee, or even have a mortgage with out a male to co sign/guarantee. Couldn't take a loan or credit without a male guarantor. Couldn't get the pill or a contraceptive device without her husbands written permission. Couldn't go into a bar. Given longer enough I'm sure I could remember more .... I'm just grateful for the progress that has been made

That is the single most true post ever.




posted on Feb, 8 2018 @ 03:56 PM
link   
The woman/feminist running a "Girls for STEM Education" is never going to get the attention she deserves for her goals because all these idiots in pussy hats, screaming about smashing the patriarchy, are sucking up all the oxygen.

What I'm saying is, pick your battles and your enemies.

Are modern "feminists" really a worthy target? They're not feminists. They're leftist idiots who play Oppression-Olympics against women in countries with NO rights and think themselves righteous for it.
edit on 8 2 18 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



new topics

top topics



 
16
<<   2 >>

log in

join