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originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Ursushorribilis
I agree with your perspective. However, if God created everything we know, he also created good and evil. The bible has some conflicting statements when most of us believe in an all loving God. The question I always had, "if God wanted everyone to follow his word, why didn't he create clear cut scriptures and concrete evidence of his wishes? Why did he allow various interpretations of his sacred scriptures to occur? Why not establish one unequivocal true religion?
I also have a tough time understanding evil spirits. Why would he allow them to exist and temp his creations?
Whether everyone wants to admit it, we're all clueless on why we are here let alone the impact and reason of the universe on our lives. Sometimes I and I'm sure many others feel our life on earth is hell. We sure have a lot of violence, murders and evil preventing us from having world peace.
It's a scary thing to even think Hell could be real. After all, isn't God also supposed to be an all forgiving God?
originally posted by: dug88
originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: Ursushorribilis
Im fairly certain a sort of tailored "Hell" exists.
On that note, I've personally come to believe any visions of heaven or hell come from the flash of '___' that goes through your brain when you die. If you feel at piece and lack regrets or a guilty conscious you'll have a heavenly end of life trip if not your own brain will torture you.
Sci-Fi Writer Iain Banks Talks Surface Detail's Hell, Creationist Heresy
In Surface Detail, thousands of races throughout the universe are consigning the souls of their people to eternity within digital hells. These virtual hells have become connected and are now host to a virtual war between supporters and opponents of the hells, including the Culture, who understandably regard torturing the damned as a rather uncivilized practice.
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: Akragon
We'll be angels. Free to explore the universe and have the knowledge of knowing where all the hidden relics and treasures on Earth are. Free to come and go as we please and visit our living friends and relatives, have conversations with Spartacus and found out how the pyramids were really built, see our old animals we loved so much, and best of all, we'll be able to float.
I challenge you. Say a person does nothing but good things in their life, helps out the needy, sacrifices their own well being for the comfort of others in a time of need, etc. They are also not a believer in Jesus Christ. Do they "burn forever" in hell?
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Soulece
Naw, buddy. You said the following:
I challenge you. Say a person does nothing but good things in their life, helps out the needy, sacrifices their own well being for the comfort of others in a time of need, etc. They are also not a believer in Jesus Christ. Do they "burn forever" in hell?
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person.
Maybe you originally meant your question for Christians. But in your admitted arrogance, you edited your post & expanded the scope of your challenge to "anyone" that claims to be "an intelligent religious person". Hence my response.
originally posted by: Abednego
a reply to: Lazarus Short
I understand the issue. But we have to take into account what the writer was seeing. The writer saw two separates places, not the same one. That is why he describe them using different words.
The burning sulfur; Here the writer describe this lake of burning sulfur, that tells us that the writer knows what sulfur is. Also it burns different that just fire.
The lake of fire; Here the writer saw a lake of fire, but he does not describe it of been of sulfur.
And being so close in the same text
, it would has been better to write "...they were thrown into the same burning lake..."
I challenge you. Say a person does nothing but good things in their life, helps out the needy, sacrifices their own well being for the comfort of others in a time of need, etc. They are also not a believer in Jesus Christ. Do they "burn forever" in hell?
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person. Either you cannot explain it, accept the ideals may be wrong, or you find a way to send a good person to hell, in which is being anti christian. It's an arrogant win-win for me in this scenario. This is something I love presenting to people who believe they know the answers because of the bible saying so.
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: Akragon
We'll be angels. Free to explore the universe and have the knowledge of knowing where all the hidden relics and treasures on Earth are. Free to come and go as we please and visit our living friends and relatives, have conversations with Spartacus and found out how the pyramids were really built, see our old animals we loved so much, and best of all, we'll be able to float.
originally posted by: silo13
Second - Sin - is sin. Without Christ? You're going to be toast. It's not a pleasant thought, but it's a truth. There can be no justice without consequences.
originally posted by: silo13
Yes, Christ is the message of love and forgiveness. Without it? You will take the consequences of sin.
Isn't it great that all we have to do is believe on Christ - and we bypass all the hellfire crap?
Pretty simple message that.
originally posts by: silo13
For God SO LOVED the world, He gave His only begotten son, so whosoever believes in Him will NOT perish, but, have EVERLASTING LIFE!
WOOOHOOO!
Best. Thing. Ever!
originally posted by: Soulece
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Soulece
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person. Either you cannot explain it, accept the ideals may be wrong, or you find a way to send a good person to hell, in which is being anti christian. It's an arrogant win-win for me in this scenario. This is something I love presenting to people who believe they know the answers because of the bible saying so.
You know that there are other religions in the world that have a "Heaven" yet don't worship Jesus, right? In other words, your "arrogant win-win for me" scenario fails when applied to virtually any religion that isn't Christianity.
Well my question is for all these people in this thread saying if you dont believe in Christ you go to hell. So no, it does not fail. I'm well aware there are other religions in the world.
originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
originally posted by: Soulece
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Soulece
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person. Either you cannot explain it, accept the ideals may be wrong, or you find a way to send a good person to hell, in which is being anti christian. It's an arrogant win-win for me in this scenario. This is something I love presenting to people who believe they know the answers because of the bible saying so.
You know that there are other religions in the world that have a "Heaven" yet don't worship Jesus, right? In other words, your "arrogant win-win for me" scenario fails when applied to virtually any religion that isn't Christianity.
Well my question is for all these people in this thread saying if you dont believe in Christ you go to hell. So no, it does not fail. I'm well aware there are other religions in the world.
Well in reality you go to hell (separation from God) because of the law. Belief in Christ frees you from the law.
originally posted by: Soulece
originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
originally posted by: Soulece
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Soulece
EDIT: In fact, I present this challenge to anyone who says they are an intelligent religious person. Either you cannot explain it, accept the ideals may be wrong, or you find a way to send a good person to hell, in which is being anti christian. It's an arrogant win-win for me in this scenario. This is something I love presenting to people who believe they know the answers because of the bible saying so.
You know that there are other religions in the world that have a "Heaven" yet don't worship Jesus, right? In other words, your "arrogant win-win for me" scenario fails when applied to virtually any religion that isn't Christianity.
Well my question is for all these people in this thread saying if you dont believe in Christ you go to hell. So no, it does not fail. I'm well aware there are other religions in the world.
Well in reality you go to hell (separation from God) because of the law. Belief in Christ frees you from the law.
So a good person can go to hell. That is not God. Thats an asshole with pride issues. Hey, that sort of sounds like somebody else...