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Intelligence Committee approves release of Dems’ rebuttal to FISA memo

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

So after that diatribe - the core of the Nunes Memo - that the Democrats paid for opposition research on Trump, handed it to the FBI, the FBI prettied it up and presented it as ''evidence'' for a FISA Warrant is - false?

or do you only want to focus on HOW the truth came out?

Considering Mueller has leaked everything under the sun this past year regarding the fake ''collusion'' narrative, isn't it becoming obvious that there wasn't any collusion with Russia?

(Hint: It was ISRAEL that colluded with the campaign, took the emails and handed them to Wikileaks - but the democrats cant say that as they're in bed with Israel too)

Gowdy said (about Dossier being used for MEMO) ''unprecedented to rely on opposition research - its a really bad precedent to not tell a court that a source has this level of bias''

Regarding the FISA Warrant ?

Was the surveillance justified?
Gowdy - we'll never know, the application contained 3 parts - included the dossier, included a news paper article (which referenced the dossier) and it included information on Carter Page. But if you had enough on Carter Page why did you use a news paper article ?
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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If this article is accurate, the Dem Memo is Dead On Arrival. Carter Page undercover for FBI in a Russia spy case. Woah.

The Last Refuge

Credit to proximo for the find!


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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

Read this earlier -
truepundit.com...

interesting.. the article cites to other articles
www.justice.gov...
www.reuters.com...


If Carter Page was working as an UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court caseUP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division flat-out LIED.




One of the four people authorized to make such a filing is the Asst. Attorney General who is head of the National Security Division of the DOJ. That person is John P Carlin.

The same John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, hired Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee


Every day this FISA Warrant, the FBI and the blind stooges who parrot their nonsense on this board are being shown to be fools



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Grambler

I still think the release of the memo was premature insofar that the 4 should have been released at the exact same time so we could have avoided 2 weeks of 'yeah but what about...'

-Nunes memo.
-DNC response memo.
-FISA application.
-OIG report.

here is a little poem I just wrote...

Hillary tried,
FBI lied,
Obama spied,
Flynn got fried,
Where does Mad Max reside?
Pelosi is the DNCs downside
The cat is out of the bag - worldwide.


The FBI lied?

Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

As the Ellen Nakashima reported, the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application. Nunes was asked about this on Fox & Friends. He did not deny the point. Instead he insisted that it wasn’t good enough because the disclosure was merely a footnote. “A footnote saying something may be political is a far cry from letting the American people know that the Democrats and the Hillary campaign paid for dirt that the FBI then used to get a warrant on an American citizen to spy on another campaign,” the distinguished Republican explained.


Maybe Nunes needs glasses.

Oh, and by the way, every single person who fell for this dumb propaganda needs to step back and take a look, because Nunes admittedly contradicted his own memo.
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

More dot connections: Enter--and exit--Judge Contreras. John P. Carlin you're about to be INFAMOUS!

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Yes “classified “ has been abused since they added “ways and means”..


It is a rubber stamp that means your bosses can’t check up on you..


They can and have basically classified everything and ANYTHING once “ways and means” were allowed..


Without it have of government corruption in the intelligence/military sectors vanish..



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
If this article is accurate, the Dem Memo is Dead On Arrival. Carter Page undercover for FBI in a Russia spy case. Woah.

The Last Refuge

Credit to proximo for the find!



Interesting, but I'll remain skeptical only because I cannot believe that DC is that vile and partisan.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MotherMayEye

He will.

Cause he knows how it would be spun if he didn't.



Ha...but when has that ever stopped him from doing something?



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Seeing how they voted for the republican memo vs democrat memo essentially tells me which side is being transparent and which side is looking to bury this........ Incredible how media outlets like CNN can continue to spend each and every day spinning this the best they can..



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: The GUT
Thanks for sharing! I couldnt find all the info myself or put it all together. Thats a great break down.

Holy crap.

This IS treason.

The FBI used an FBI employee to set up a standing president....!!!!


Because “FISA Title I” surveillance authority against a U.S. citizen is so serious (the U.S. government is essentially calling the target a spy), only a few people are authorized to even apply for such surveillance warrants. One of the four people authorized to make such a filing is the Asst. Attorney General who is head of the National Security Division of the DOJ. That person is John P Carlin.

The same John P Carlin who, together with the FBI counterintelligence unit, hired Carter Page as an FBI Under-Cover Employee, turns around and six months later accuses Page of being a Russian Spy – because the DOJ-NSD and FBI CoIntel needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]

From your link.

A US undercover FBI employee POSING as a Russian intelligence operative was on the FISA application. WOW. They knew he wasnt a fracking Russian spy! (John P Carlin absolutely knew) He was PRETENDING TO BE ONE FOR THEM! As a paid federal employee!

They planted Carter Page in a standing president's administration to then set him and other innocent people up.

I just need to write that out. Hear it said in my head.

I know I said it before and whatever, but the FBI REALLY needs to be closed for renovations.

Is this nuclear enough about the MEMO folks?


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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
This is childish.

They could have STATED their rebuttal. They think its about who has memos. They must think the general public is from the 1940s or something

LOL



I hate to say it, but the majority of the population believes everything they hear and read on mainstream media. Whatever the Democrats/Globalists tell them is what they believe. So since the Democrats/Globalists/Deep State and their employees (the media) tell them it's about the memos, people will believe it's about the memos.

Evidence of this is right here on this conspiracy theory website. We are supposed to know better here- but just take a read through any political thread and it is totally evident that the Deep State has the public believing their lies.
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: Grambler

I say release everything. If there's nothing to hide, then why worry? The cloud of "confidential information, classified information, national security" is just that. I big cloud that doesn't mean anything any more.


I've gotta agree with you there. Officials have been using "national security" as a way to cover up their crimes and get away with murder (probably literally) for decades now.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

Well, the fact that Democrats feel the medium is so important shows how little they are paying attention.

You ever see a corny old movie and you see the town mayor doing something and his character is obvious?

Well thats how this looks. The corny old mayor from a black and white movie, waving the town deed or something absurd.

The facts are already known. There is only a hardline minority that will refuse to see this for what it really is for much longer. They already knew from the begining anyways and just peddled the lie. They are dicks.

Many will simply eat crow for being hold outs and move on.


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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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I hate to say it, but the majority of the population believes everything the hear and read on mainstream media.


Poll: Majority says mainstream media publishes fake news

Your statement doesn't seem to be accurate.
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Greven

What propaganda?

The claim was that the fbi didnt tell the court that Hillarys team and the dnc paid for the dossier. No one is claiming they did, only that there was a small foot note that said it had connections to a political group.

The fcat that people think that this foot note saying it had a political source somehow is acceptable as opposed to saying the actual candidates team paid for it is ludicrous.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




Then he had his staffers concoct a surprise memo (much better than surprise press conference al a "unmasking" fail), which btw, he hasn't denied having coordinated with the WH on.





posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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Keep in mind, which sides seems to be more for transparency in this whole thing?

The republicans voted to allow congress and the public to see both the republican and democratic memo.

The democrats not only didnt want the republican memo released to the public, but they didnt even want congress to see it. The fbi doesnt want anyone to see anything, as they not only stonewall oversight, but also only allowing one member on each side to see the fisa warrant.

And not only that, the dems and fbi said that allowing the memo out would lead to catastrophic effects of revealing national security secrets that would harm the country, which was a lie.

Meanwhile, I have seen many republicans, Jim Hordan, Gaetz, Don Jr., Grassley and more call for releasing the intel behind the warrants and other material. Even people like Carter page want all of the evidence released.

Now why would one side want to keep all of this awesome evidence of trumps team working with russians secret, but the party being accused wants the info released?

Interesting isnt it?



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: KansasGirl



I hate to say it, but the majority of the population believes everything the hear and read on mainstream media.


Poll: Majority says mainstream media publishes fake news

Your statement doesn't seem to be accurate.


From your source:
“Much of the media is now just another part of the partisan divide in the country with Republicans not trusting the ‘mainstream’ media and Democrats seeing them as reflecting their beliefs,” said Harvard....

So yes, I would call my statement pretty accurate. Your source also said that what the poll found is that people think there "is a lot of fake news" in the media, which is a bit different than what I'm saying. I'd CNN or MSNBC tells them that there isn't any substance to the GOP memo, they believe it. And they certainly believe it when a member of Congress comes into their TV screen and says it.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 11:08 PM
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I'm sure the only rebuttal the dems will have is "The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!"




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

This is the problem: those who watch and read MSM think that the facts are not the facts, if it's what their "side" tells them. Facts don't matter to them. What matters to them (the only thing) is what the MSM and their employers (congress, revolving MIC overlords) tell them. They won't investigate to see if what theyve been told is actually true.




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