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New York Times Asks FISA Court To Unseal Carter Page Warrant Application

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 The New York Times filed a motion before
The FISA Court seeking the FISA Warrant application that was used to
obtain the warrant on Carter Page.

Citing the overwhelming public interest in assessing the accuracy of
Chairman Devin Nunes Memo and the peoples need to know the actual
basis for the Page surveillance orders as its reason for the request.


The New York Times told the Department of Justice on Monday that it is doing something unusual: Filing a motion asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents related to the wiretapping former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The motion comes following the release of a declassified memo written by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence Committee that alleges no warrant from the FISC would have been sought without the information within the infamous Trump-Russia dossier.

President Trump declassified the memo last week, and the New York Times argues “there is no longer a justification ‘for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld in their entirety,’ and ‘disclosure would serve the public interest.’”
www.washingtonexaminer.com...


It is to early to estimate if the FISA court will release this information,
however this is an opportunity to act.

One thing leaps out of this article, something in which I feel deserves
to be highlighted. Twice, the NYT article cites public interest
as a reason this FISA warrant should be unsealed.

In first instance, they mention that it was the overwhelming amount
of public interest that played a large part in the release of Devin Nunes FISA Memo.

The second instance is they cite a great public interest in knowing
whether the FISA warrant will prove Nunes memo as truth.

This speaks volumes as to the importance of your voice, and
exercising your right to speak to your elected representatives
and let them know just how great the public interest is.

Never underestimate the importance of just how much power the people still have. Anyone saying anything else is suspect, and possibly an attempt at subversion.

The New York Times Asks FISA Court To Unseal Documents On Surveillance Of Carter Page

Direct Link to The New York Times

The Times Asks Court to Unseal Documents on Surveillance of Carter Page
www.nytimes.com...

Related ATS Thread
The FISA Memo Release
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:07 PM
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You guys wear me out.

Isn't the NYT fake and failing?

#GettingConfused



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Eshel


Remember it was only slightly a year ago Trump was mocked for saying
that Obama wiretapped him.

James Comey called him crazy. The media mocked him, and 24/7
called him a liar. Well, now look here we are.

The people need vindication.


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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: burntheships


Remember it was only slightly a year ago Trump was mocked for saying that Obama wiretapped him.


And deservedly so. Was Trump wiretapped? No. Was Trump put under any surveillance? No? The best his lapdog Nunes has managed to come up with is a sketchy memo of talking points about a FISA warrant granted against Carter Page a month after he left the campaign so it wouldn't even be accurate to say that the Trump campaign was under surveillance much less Dishonest Donald.


James Comey called him crazy. The media mocked him, and 24/7 called him a liar. Well, now look here we are.


See above. He's still a liar. I dunno if he's "crazy" in a clinical sense but he's not exactly mentally stable. Where are we exactly? How is Trump's tweet any less bull# today than it was tweeted it?

ETA:

As for the NYT request, that's nice but it's hard to believe any such thing would happen. If we ever see that FISA warrant app in any form at all, it's going to be 95% redacted and that's a reaaaaally big if.
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

And your news source please?

Here is mine.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

That's a good idea. Unseal that 60 page fisa request. But should it be revealed 100% with no redactions?

This would be the best way to get rid of the memo War that's going on right now.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

HAHA so what was the FISA warrants for if members of his team weren't surveilled?

You people make me laugh. So delusional it's comical.







posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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According to Nunes, he relishes the Dem response, because he apparently has all the underlying facts. Hopefully he can prove himself right.

But yes, all the facts need to come to light for this memo to be taken seriously.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Wait and have patience, after the HIC vote to release the Dem memo today, it will go to Trump. He will wait until Friday to release it, same as he did with Nunes memo. There will be a week for the media to play with it and compare. So, I don't believe anyone is going to see the FISA warrant publicly released until the 1st of March. Allowing a week, before the first DACA deadline. Hmmm...possibly an interesting coincidence?

Edit add: Oops forgot one other interesting coincidence. April will be when OIG provides congress and commissions with their semi-annual report. Hmmm?

Have to stay on schedule, everyone!

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: burntheships

That's a good idea. Unseal that 60 page fisa request. But should it be revealed 100% with no redactions?


It could be slightly redacted and still have the same impact?

Getting to the source of the so called evidence would be the key.

I think Nunes is 100% confident about that part.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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Wait what!!!!!

But most of the main stream media and many dmeocrats said that releasing this info would hurt national security!

Schiff said that this could lead to people getting away with making fertilizer bombs!

How are the NYT belittle law enforcement like this!

Cant they see the danger they are all putting us in!

Will someone from CNN please get over to the Times and let them know how they are calling for the destruction of the Constitution!




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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I have three letters for those blinded by their hatred: OIG.

It's not been talked about much, but a lot of the events we are currently witnessing came from evidence of wrongdoing contained in Inspector General Michael Horowitz' upcoming report. Expect MUCH more trouble for the deep state as investigations continue to spin off of his findings.

That and the info on constitutional abuses of FISA (and other malfeasance) reported by Admiral Mike Rogers of the NSA.

I think we're gonna owe those two patriotic Americans a big thank you before too long.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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When the media acts as if they control the country in demanding something, I take a HUGE step back to look at the facts.

Whilst it might seem as if they are doing this for grand motives of state and country, it smacks of "let me get on the right side while there is still time".

I don't trust the media, go figure.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Why do you try to "gotcha" me?

Did you read the article?


WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.


Apparently like you, Trump saw the headline of the print version of the story and jumped to conclusions. In reality, the article is talking about intercepted communications of Russians. Which you'll recall is the very thing that sunk Flynn.

It's pretty sad that President has millions, maybe tens of millions of people enthralled in a delusion based on his inability to read a news story.

Anyway, NYT apparently didn't appreciate his BS and published this in March.

Fact Check: Trump Misleads About The Times’s Reporting on Surveillance


This is misleading. Neither the print nor online version of the article supports Mr. Trump’s accusation that Mr. Obama ordered surveillance on him.

The Times reported that there were intercepted conversations involving Mr. Trump’s associates, but it did not report that they or Mr. Trump were the subject of wiretap orders. To date, The Times has not found evidence of that.

Mr. Trump’s initial accusations specifically targeted Mr. Obama, whom The Times article does not mention. The independent fact-checking website PolitiFact rated Mr. Trump’s assertion False, and The Washington Post awarded the claim Four Pinocchios, its lowest rating, twice.

“The bald assertion that Obama had Trump wiretapped is nowhere supported by the story. That is fiction,” said Jay Rosen, a media critic and professor of journalism at New York University.


Why would you be relying on an article from over a year ago that you clearly did not read in the first place?
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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




Was Trump wiretapped

yes
indirectly is as good as directly in hand grenades and wire taps



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
According to Nunes, he relishes the Dem response, because he apparently has all the underlying facts. Hopefully he can prove himself right.



I did see him on video, he isn't bluffing either.

The other thing that backs him up solidly, The Grassley memo released today,
and Trey Gowdy confirmed the information also, I believe Gowdy has actually
viewed some of the FISA warrant material.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: theantediluvian




Was Trump wiretapped

yes
indirectly is as good as directly in hand grenades and wire taps


Truth, shrapnel hits everyone.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

Indirectly? Please explain how he was indirectly surveilled. Be specific.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Trey Gowdy said that he did help compose the memo by examining the raw data including the fisa warrant. Said that he has worked on it for several months.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I don't rely on msm news articles to provide a comprehensive
story, nor do I rely on them to provide the truth in an unbiased manner.

But they sure do use headlines to grab attention. Are you saying the headline is false?

Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry Of Trrump Aides



Under the Protect America Act of 2007, communications that begin or end in a foreign country may be wiretapped by the U.S. government without supervision by the FISA Court.


en.wikipedia.org...

We can't forget that Susan Rice and Samantha Powers, and the
unmasking that was taking place. Who was keeping track, Obama?

Sheesh, your so gullible.



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