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originally posted by: Flavian
originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
originally posted by: Flavian
originally posted by: Jesushere
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Well gee, if some youtuber says it, it MUST be true!
That doesn't make it untrue though...
I'm not gonna watch the vids, but the hypothesis of the existence of Atlantis is untrue, so...
Plato described Atlantis as a real place. People today just assume he was writing a play and the place never existed. But people forget he was describing locations that do exist, introduced real dates for when this place existed, and real people in Greece and Egypt are mentioned in his workings. Called Atlantis may not be accurate, but I would rule out there was a place that fitted this description sometime in the past. The most likely place for this sunken or destroyed city is somewhere off the Coast of Spain, Americas or the British Isles. If I was betting man I pick a place the Greeks knew and would have to fit in with their understood knowledge of the known world.
Are there any other ancient sources for Atlantis?
The ancient world knew each other and there was an extensive trade network.......but no other accounts of Atlantis, apart from Plato. Surely that is telling?
There were some other sources that survived the destruction of the Library of Alexandria.
From Diodorus Siculus (90–30 BCE),
The Library of History:
Book 3, Chapter 4:
“The Atlantides inhabited a rich country
bordering upon the ocean, and were esteemed
to excel all their neighbors in civil reception
and entertainment of strangers; and they
boast that the gods were born among them.”2
Book 5, Chapter 15:
“In a word, this island is so delightful that
it appears to be the abode of the Gods rather
than of human beings.”
From Herodotus (ca. 480–420 BCE),
“From the Garmantians at a distance
again of ten days’ journey there is another
hill of salt and spring of water, and the people
dwelling round it are called Atarantians, who
alone of all human beings about whom we
know are nameless; for while all taken
together have the name Atarantians, each
separate man and woman of them has no
name given to them. These utter curses against
the Sun when he is at his height, and moreover
revile the sun with all manner of foul terms,
because it oppresses them by its burning heat,
both themselves and their land. After this at a
distance of ten days’ journey there is another
hill of salt and spring of water, and people
dwell round it. Near this salt hill is a mountain
named Atlas, which is small in circuit and
rounded on every side; and so exceedingly lofty
is it said to be, that it is not possible to see its
summits, for clouds never leave them either in
the summer or in the winter. This, the natives
say, is the pillar of the heavens. After this
mountain these received their name, for they are
called Atlanteans; and it is said that they neither
eat anything that has life nor have any dreams.”
From Aelian ( 175-235 CE)
from The Nature of Animals:
“. . . Those living near the Ocean tell the
tale that the ancient Atlantean Kings, tracing
their lineage from Neptune (Poseidon), wore
bands made from the sea–rams upon their
heads, as an imperial insignia, while the
queens likewise wore circlets made from the
Note that all 3 of these men were highly regarded in their time, and would certainly be considered "mainstream."
Thanks for the interesting comeback (rather than Youtube vids!). You are quite correct to identify a couple of other ancient sources but even here it needs quantifying.
For example, Diodorus Siculus mentions Atlantis in his first series of books (Library of Histories is split into 3 sections). This first section details ancient myths rather than reality, as is acknowledged within this section.
Herodotus is another interesting one. Herodotus is actually one of my historical heroes but quite simply it has to be acknowledged that for all his correct info, he also simply made things up. If we believe his works in entirety (as a simple example) then we have to acknowledge that the Roman world was populated with peoples resembling a Heironymous Bosch painting. We know this wasn't the case. More importantly though, the Herodotus you were quoting refers to a tribe deep within the Atlas mountains. The Garmantians were located in the desert to the south of Leptis Magna (Libya). The Atarantians (seperate tribe) are ten days south of them (Atlas mountains). Aside from Herodotus, who else has ever put Atlantis deep withing the Atlas mountain range? Aside from anything, it makes it extremely difficult for it to sink into the sea!
Aelian is more interesting as a source but it must be recognised that he was a scholar and he taught rhetoric. He was extremely well versed in the Platonic school of thought. He also lived during the reigns of, amongst others, Septimius Severus. It has to be recognised that this was an "age of Iron and rust", as described by the divine Marcus Aurelius (who was, frankly, hero worshipped throughout the empire during this period). In this age, scholars, rhetoroticians and the general great and the good were perfectly aware that the Empire was teetering and that old school honour, duty and discipline were a thing of the past - they hankered after a return to (as they saw it) old school virtue and often evoked Homer and Virgil, as well as Plato.
In short, each of those examples is supposition rather than evidence.
originally posted by: Gazrok
I've known and know a few pro and amateur archeologists, and I've never known any of them to want to "hide" information from others.
Quite the contrary, once you get them started on their area of expertise, you can't shut them up, lol! (though I usually don't want to). In fact, a lot of them teach, just to share what they've learned in all their studies and digs.
medusasg8 - I've also worked in construction, but I've also worked in a machine shop where we, for those who don't know where you have to use machines to to cut perfectly flat or perfectly curved products, to do this by hand even just 1 block would be MASSIVELY IMPOSSIBLE but to cut 1 block with a flat but angled surface then you have to make the next one mate the two surfaces perfectly?!?!? only a delusional person would believe his own theory on this, NO WAY, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY. But I've been saying this for years.
The other obstacles are the tools even if you tried w ancient technology to use a rock tied to a stick as a hammer and an iron chesal, that they some how made, the iron chesal won't hold up very long, you'd go through a pile of chesals for just one tiny block, it's nonsense to say a primitive civilization fabed this stuff. It's laughable.
There are even down there in South America other sites that have huge perfectly square or rectangular stone blocks , and they are so flat you can put a stainless steel machinest square or straight edge to them and verify that they are infact perfectly flat and square and they also have lines cut into them that are about 3/16 of an inch wide by 3/16" deep and the width and depth are so consistent you can use a machinest depth gage and micrometers to check the accuracy it's truly mind boggling, but what is even more mind boggling is that a highly educated person would even try to convince you, with a straight face, that an ancient primitive civilization with a rock and chesal was able to get this done. Throw out the text books
I cant see that happening! Too many gate keepers... And if some of it was to come out it would have come out in a book, for money, and probably disinformation at that. I think your right about "Siqqara", must be in Egypt. Thanks for the acknowledgment. "Sepharvaim"? I dig...........
After the deluge was over he was to uncover them and disclose the contents to mankind.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: redchad
I agree that yes , why did we not build to the precision that the egyptians did if their methods were simply man power and sand / bronze tools in the medieval times for construction projects, greece , rome etc!
Rome worked along side Egypt so where were the techniques replicated in Rome?
at the same time, alot of the building materials the Egyptians used were costly to transport , and time consuming to build and required a lot of manpower
and yet Rome did not lack the slave power to do such grand projects
I'm thinking that happened before all the gold mining was completed , and Atum moved into a new mansion. So, he left guard dogs at the old mansion?
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
funn you mention nibiru being a water filled space between earth and heaven
as the egyptian creation myth sees Atum coming from the water like Abyss !
and creating humans
I guess it depends on how you look at it. Tower of Babble?
What I want to know is why some rich extravagant millionaire hasnt attempted this today just to prove it can be done or not
Well, one thing you should know is, they were built to last eons..
the Great pyramid , we dont , we theorise but arent certain , we know the materials it was made from , but dont know its exact method of construction, we dont know its exact age ,we dont know what its purpose was intended for !