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A real reason Dems hate Russia...

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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:54 AM
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I thought the Right hated Russia because they are "Socialist/Communist" ? kind of Ironic defending them now...




posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 05:58 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
I thought the Right hated Russia because they are "Socialist/Communist" ? kind of Ironic defending them now...



Hillary fixed that with the reset.

So it's cool now. I'd like to visit there myself.

See Bernies old house.




posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Liquesence

Picking amongst wolves....hardly a real choice to have to make.


No, siding with a foreign authoritarian undermining the very nature of the United States over fellow Americans, even if in disagreement with the politics, should not be a choice.


You are right. It should not.

Now how to go about making it not a choice anymore?




Awareness. And removing the illusion that it is the best choice and in the best interests of those who choose it, when it isn't.



To circle back....i think that is the point of the statement to begin with.

Its hyperbole. Of course letting putin have america is bad. Its what makes the statement. THAT is seemingly better than where we were headed.

But no one really believes that. It isnt the point to be factual...its hyperbole.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

So you have seen this magical evidence then?

Please share it with the rest of us, this proof that Russia altered the election.

I ask for that specific proof because unless they altered the election it doesn't really matter because outsiders have been trying to influence our elections probably longer than you have been alive.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Liquesence

So you have seen this magical evidence then?

Please share it with the rest of us, this proof that Russia altered the election.

I ask for that specific proof because unless they altered the election it doesn't really matter because outsiders have been trying to influence our elections probably longer than you have been alive.



and i'd like to add to your very accurate post that had hillary won and it was trump questioning the results he would have been laughed at. obama had so much as said so. russia was the insurance policy they were supposed to have never had to use.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

You could take your own advice. Go live where Putin lives.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 08:06 AM
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The real reason they hate them is because immigrants from former Soviet bloc countries tend to vote Republican because after being freed from Communism they avoid left leaning totalitarian ideas. That voting trend is passing to their children and grandchildren.

Simply put, Russians living in Democrat strongholds of Chicago, San Francisco and NYC purple up the votes a little bit.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: testingtesting

How much land? 10k is an interesting price...



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
Seems to me that there was a group of wealthy oligarchs in Russia that Putin deposed, and they want to depose Putin. Those same oligarchs have contacts in Europe and the US mostly through banking.

Bush used the Russian mafia along with rogue elements of Mossad to steal tons of oil in Azerbaijan, Somalia and Iraq. So we're really talking about 2 different groups in Russia those who are aligned with Putin, and those who are not. Those who are not are aligned with Putin are aligned with European socialism and banking such as Soros and all his vulture pals.

They'd love nothing more than to create a war between the US and Russia so they could go back in and pick off the carcass.



Yes, 100%!


I've always said that this is a fight over resources and who can profit from them.

When you reach a certain level of wealth and power you transcend the need for political parties.

The two party system has a purpose and its clearly working.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf


So you have seen this magical evidence then?
Please share it with the rest of us, this proof that Russia altered the election.


What? I have never claimed they altered it, but it is a fact they breached (local) voting systems and attempted to tamper with voter rolls. This includes a widescale online propaganda effort the results of which we're seeing ripping apart the very fabric our country, which is my point.

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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Liquesence

Picking amongst wolves....hardly a real choice to have to make.


No, siding with a foreign authoritarian undermining the very nature of the United States over fellow Americans, even if in disagreement with the politics, should not be a choice.


You are right. It should not.

Now how to go about making it not a choice anymore?




Awareness. And removing the illusion that it is the best choice and in the best interests of those who choose it, when it isn't.



Its hyperbole. Of course letting putin have america is bad. Its what makes the statement. THAT is seemingly better than where we were headed.

But no one really believes that. It isnt the point to be factual...its hyperbole.


I hope it's only hyperbole, but I have no doubt some people believe it is, in fact, better, and that some people on here believe it would be better.

People believe rather silly, and dangerous, things and fight tooth and nail to maintain those beliefs.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Every single major country in the world has tampered with or attempted to influence our elections.

So what makes Russians so bad that we must over react to the situation?



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Liquesence

Every single major country in the world has tampered with or attempted to influence our elections.

So what makes Russians so bad that we must over react to the situation?



You are missing the entire point.

Few have had such an impact that rattles the very foundation of our democracy as this has, and has planted the seeds of discord inside so we are doing it to ourselves, like a two headed entity unaware it is eating itself.

Do you see what is happening in our country, do you not care, or do you condone it?



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

HOW did they influence our election?



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Liquesence

HOW did they influence our election?



Propaganda and misinformation, indirectly.

But that propaganda is resultant in our further tearing ourselves apart, which we're seeing every day.

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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

So the wiki leaks info had nothing to do with it is what you are saying? Or are you disputed what was released all together.

If Seth Rich leaked the info or the Russians hacked it, does that really lessen the weight of what was revealed either way?

edit to add:
Lets take a step back. The FISA warrant used media spin to justify spying on a rival candidate!

The info was helped along by partisan elements within the prior administration and leadership in the DOJ and FBI!!

The DNC AND CLINTON HIRED FGPS to arrange a meeting with Russian underworld entities tied to Russian intelligence, to entrap the son of a president elect!

They paid for the dossier and pushed for its importance all the while lying through their teeth!

They went after a standing president with knowingly unfounded arguments of criminality. That is sedition plain and simple.

The DNC tried to stage a riot in Chicago to cancel an opponents rally!

They used voter suppression and intimidation techniques in conjunction to framing a fellow party runner for VIOLENT agitators sent to disrupt peaceful electoral events.

but suddenly something something Russia. You know, investigations.....you are so worried and care and stuff.

whatever.


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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Liquesence

Every single major country in the world has tampered with or attempted to influence our elections.

So what makes Russians so bad that we must over react to the situation?



You are missing the entire point.

Few have had such an impact that rattles the very foundation of our democracy as this has, and has planted the seeds of discord inside so we are doing it to ourselves, like a two headed entity unaware it is eating itself.

Do you see what is happening in our country, do you not care, or do you condone it?


by your own words they did not alter it they tried to, So how have the upset our republic?(since we have never been a democracy) they will try again in the future and seeing where they tried we should be more worried about improving our defense instead of trying to unseat an elected president.

Just like the UK will try to, and France, and Germany, and Spain, and the Netherlands, and Belgium... see a trend, we have the ability to upset the entire world so every country tries to alter or influence the election to benefit them.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: tadaman


So the wiki leaks info had nothing to do with it is what you are saying?


I'm not talking about Wikileaks, but that is just one piece.

ETA:

Clever (and very long) edit there, and attempting to switch the argument/move the goalposts.

Voter intimidation and suppression is wrong, no matter who does it. This includes GOP gerrymandering.

That is beside the point.
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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Liquesence

Every single major country in the world has tampered with or attempted to influence our elections.

So what makes Russians so bad that we must over react to the situation?



You are missing the entire point.

Few have had such an impact that rattles the very foundation of our democracy as this has, and has planted the seeds of discord inside so we are doing it to ourselves, like a two headed entity unaware it is eating itself.

Do you see what is happening in our country, do you not care, or do you condone it?


by your own words they did not alter it they tried to, So how have the upset our republic?(since we have never been a democracy) they will try again in the future and seeing where they tried we should be more worried about improving our defense instead of trying to unseat an elected president.

Just like the UK will try to, and France, and Germany, and Spain, and the Netherlands, and Belgium... see a trend, we have the ability to upset the entire world so every country tries to alter or influence the election to benefit them.


You confusing the issues:

Altering the results as in changing votes (of which there is no evidence) versus influencing as in using propaganda and misinformation that shape public perception (of which there is evidence), said propaganda and misinformation that is believed and (unknowingly?) used by others (in our country/government) as a means of undermining our democracy and our fundamental institutions: the executive branch, and some on congress, is (are) actively attacking the FBI, The DOJ, the IC, and politicians not in line with its beliefs. That erodes the very nature of those institutions, and they are pillars of our system of government, and threatens a consolidation of power.

It is very dangerous.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

One piece of "fake news and propaganda" as you categorized it?

Im pretty sure the leaks werent disputed, so much as argued to be illegal to read except by experts at CNN, as said CNN.

LOL

So Hillary lost the election because Russians used their journalists and media industry to publish stories in a free press society?

Interesting, and laughable.

What was the damage caused by Russia? Hillary was not proven to be a liar and (whether convicted by a court) is obviously guilty of a slew of crimes?

I thought that was why she lost the election.


edit on 2 4 2018 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



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