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A real reason Dems hate Russia...

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posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Liquesence

Picking amongst wolves....hardly a real choice to have to make.


No, siding with a foreign authoritarian undermining the very nature of the United States over fellow Americans, even if in disagreement with the politics, should not be a choice.


You are right. It should not.

Now how to go about making it not a choice anymore?




posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Liquesence

Picking amongst wolves....hardly a real choice to have to make.


No, siding with a foreign authoritarian undermining the very nature of the United States over fellow Americans, even if in disagreement with the politics, should not be a choice.


You are right. It should not.

Now how to go about making it not a choice anymore?


Realizing it's a Trojan.

Awareness. And removing the illusion that it is the best choice and in the best interests of those who choose it, when it isn't.

Otherwise, I'm not sure.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide


Interesting Hefficide, although I do agree with the general point of that non-Putin-but-still-general-point message, your message is far more intriguing/important. I suppose I can chalk this up to another example of misinformation spreading via unintentional means, but that would be letting myself off easy.

I should have checked that quote before assuming it was true.

Of course the core content of my message was not predicated on this single idea, and I stand by that 100%. Nevertheless interesting to see how easy such nefarious information can be slipped into otherwise legitimate/well meaning discussion

Thanks for pointing that out

Always appreciate seeing ignorance denied in a practical way

edit on 2/3/2018 by JBurns because: edit, left out "not" on accident



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:07 PM
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having hate towards Russia allows the Left & DNC to embrace all Immigrants & if they be of Islam, close their eyes if the immigrant is radical-or-Jihadist

the louder the voice against Russia the sheeple are content that the 'Enemy' is Forever & Only the Russians and we have nobody else to be wary of...
while subversives & anarchist illegal immigrants/migrants breach the borders to roam our streets, plotting & scheming to thwart our culture, laws, customs, civil liberties



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: JBurns


Although I'd take Putin over nearly any Democrat, any time any day.


That's a shame, that you'd take a foreign adversary trying to fundamentally change (wreck) our most sacred institutions and democracy over your fellow Americans because politics.

That's not very patriotic.

At all.


Perhaps a different phrasing is that Jburns prefers a person that admits openly to his character rather than the lying, thieving, back stabbing, UN-American LEADERS of the Democrat party that think nothing of lying to their base and slipping a shank into their own members.

Maybe that is what was meant!


Even still to this day, regardless of all the illegal wiretapping and rumors and what not, if those involved in it would simply come clean and own up to it, I'd at least respect them. Of course an apology doesn't/can't excuse criminal activities, but it sure as heck does show character and ethics. Lying never helps. Doubling down on a lie, and continuing to run with it despite having a large preponderance of evidence is not right


Dead center again, but you know the really crazy part? In history the politicians that screw up somehow that will simply look the camara in the eye fess up and apologize are normally forgiven and live to fight another day. It’s against history and their best interest to keep up the spin and the lies. They will be tripped up in them.

I guess they cannot help themselves.


We must be on the same wave length right now
Another spot on observation

In so many of these cases, it is the lying/cover up/conspiracy that ends up nailing them and not even the actual act itself. Bill Clinton is a shining example. And keep in mind, I personally rank Bill Clinton as one of the most effective Presidents we've had in recent history. The economy did great, we prospered militarily and by far his economic team consisted of moderates and conservatives. I can't recall the last time we had a surplus at the end of a Presidency.

But any way, it was the lying/potential obstruction charges that nearly cost him his presidency. A majority of America couldn't care less what Clinton did in his private time, and privately many even thought it was a humorous situation to be in (save for the national embarassment, but #### happens). It was the lying, distraction, angling, excuses and deflections that really seemed to tick every body off. And of course having a fresh scandal emerge shortly after apologizing for the first one didn't help


Either way, you hit it right on the head with the nation's memory for things like this. Those who deceive and distract do not fare well, while those who fess up and sincerely make matters right tend to, as you put it, live to fight another day

In my eyes, such a scenario is nowhere near outside the realm of possibility today. I can't see it happening though, and I think a lot of it is because of pride/over playing a poor hand. They need at least some small part of the narrative to be true to continue the overarching theme, and they just won't let go of it unfortunately. I've even wondered if this wasn't some type of tactic to stall or otherwise derail the President's mandate.




posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:20 PM
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Seems to me that there was a group of wealthy oligarchs in Russia that Putin deposed, and they want to depose Putin. Those same oligarchs have contacts in Europe and the US mostly through banking.

Bush used the Russian mafia along with rogue elements of Mossad to steal tons of oil in Azerbaijan, Somalia and Iraq. So we're really talking about 2 different groups in Russia those who are aligned with Putin, and those who are not. Those who are not are aligned with Putin are aligned with European socialism and banking such as Soros and all his vulture pals.

They'd love nothing more than to create a war between the US and Russia so they could go back in and pick off the carcass.


edit on 3-2-2018 by SkeptiSchism because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
Seems to me that there was a group of wealthy oligarchs in Russia that Putin deposed, and they want to depose Putin. Those same oligarchs have contacts in Europe and the US mostly through banking.

Bush used the Russian mafia along with rogue elements of Mossad to steal tons of oil in Azerbaijan, Somalia and Iraq. So we're really talking about 2 different groups in Russia those who are aligned with Putin, and those who are not. Those who are not are aligned with European socialism and banking such as Soros and all his vulture pals.

They'd love nothing more than to create a war between the US and Russia so they could go back in and pick off the carcass.



DING DING DING!!!



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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The op has pointed out in his post that things work different in Russia, among such that any one immigrating to Russia, they would have to learn the language, and be expected to respect Russian laws, that they Russian government makes no distinction between the majority or minority, and will not change laws to grant special privileges, ignoring the cries of discrimination.

The Op has pointed out that the Democrats hate Putin because he refuses to kowtow to special interests or pander to demographics, and how he is a better leader than Obama, and others. And that perhaps the USA should consider being more like Russia in this aspect. And how the Op would take Putin over any democrat any time any day.

That being stated here is what could be stated:

While yes many Democrats do not like the Russians, the same could be stated about the Republicans as well. Many who are in Congress today, who have been around since the 1980’s if not before, will never like or trust Russia. That is because at one time Russia was the Soviet Union, and was engaged in a long cold war with the USA. Nor do they or will they trust Putin.

Yes Putin is a strong autocrat, which governs a very large country. But if you look at only what Putin has done so far and ignore his background, then one is setting themselves up for a knife in the back real quick. Putin, was not always a politician, he was a member of the KGB, raising to the rank of Colonel. His specialty was running counter intelligence. That means that he had to deal with the operations of intelligence from other countries and turn it against them. So he is skilled at the world political area, often planning out things to happen long in advance, to have things happen like clockwork. And he knows how to clean up messes.

Now there is a few things that the Op has failed to mention, the lack of individual freedoms in Russia, such as the freedom of speech and free press. And there is discrimination against various groups that are well documented. If an individual or even a group is considered subversive, they are either arrested, or just disappear, and are found dead. Nor does Putin tolerate any sort of political challenges. Those individuals often end up dead, by gun shot or poison, and it is so well timed, the actual event is often blocked, by say a convenient garbage truck to block a camera. And then there are the close individuals to Putin, the Oligarchs that are corrupt, they all pay him tribute, and he lets them do what they want, for a price, or lose everything if they dare stray from the path.

So if one is going to admire a corrupt autocratic dictator, who will only leave power when he dies, and will kill political rivals, who threaten him, will shut down media, and silence any sort of dissenting voice, Putin would be the person to look at as a good example.

Personally I will stick with the people in the USA, as there is an old saying: Better the devil you know than the devil you don’t. They may not be innocent or angels, sometimes they are inept, but at least I know I can speak out about them and not be imprisoned or killed for using my freedom of speech.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns


Among a variety of other reasons (including exposing Dems as weak/ineffective/insincere), Dems hate Putin because he refuses to kowtow to special interests or pander to demographics who feel this (or another) country owes them something like the Dems enjoy doing so much. Putin doesn't compare to Trump, but he's 1000x the leader Obama and ESPECIALLY Hillary Clinton ever could've been.

Couldn't agree with that statement more. This is America. If you don't want to be an American, assimilate into American and live the American way of life, what good are you? Find another country that actually fits who you are, instead of expecting a nation of ~290,000,000 flag waving patriots (Dems not included in this number) to change.



Although I'd take Putin over nearly any Democrat, any time any day.


We know.

That's why you're not bothered by the fact that Trump's a Russian agent.

You're party over Country and Putin over Dems.

I've been saying that for quite a while having conservatives get furious, just furious for even implying it - and here you are, right out in the open.

And as much as i find that disgraceful, you're still a countrymen, a fellow citizen, an American, like me. Which means I'm on your team and you're on mine. Or at least that's the way it should be viewed.

But, it isn't, by all too many on the right.

If you can show me somewhere where Obama said immigrants to the U.S. shouldn't speak English or would be allowed to follow Sharia Law, I'd appreciate it.

And the reason that the Russia is some shthole country with an economy the size of Italy is that no one wants to immigrate to it.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Irishhaf

I have to question anyone that actively supports the RNC or the DNC in one breath then tries to suggest (with a straight face) someone else is trying to fundamentally change America. We already have 2 established parties in this county that have been working hard at that my entire life.


And I question anyone who supports a foreign government actively trying to undermine America and its most fundamental and sacred institutions.

Yeah, the two part system is a sham, but that is beside the point.


yeah it's not like america would undermine another countries elections or the way they run their country and their leadership. oh wait......



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Do Dems really hate Russia or is that just what some urine swilling vodka soaked child molesting propaganda peddling Putin fellating POS wants you to believe?

K~



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 12:38 AM
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It appears to me some are willing to trust a despot over their fellow americans.
Putin will read this and think job well done.
But do continue from both sides bickering while your country gets hurt.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 12:50 AM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
It appears to me some are willing to trust a despot over their fellow americans.
Putin will read this and think job well done.
But do continue from both sides bickering while your country gets hurt.







Sad that putin need do nothing, the two party system is in meltdown and is now trying to eat itself.

Putin is being given far too much credit, if he is really this good there is little wonder why he is still in power right ?

edit on 4-2-2018 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 12:55 AM
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Trust Dems who've, many a time, proven they care for nothing other than holding on to their power, or trust a tyrant, in all but name, who cares only for retaining power...

Hmm... Tough choice.

How about neither? Putin is KGB, with all that that title implies. It's an open secret that he, and his supporters have had folks killed, or jailed, for daring oppose him. Yeah, I'm gonna go out of my way to trust that. Not any time soon.

Shockingly, some of our Democratic party leadership really aren't all that much better... No, maybe they've not had anyone killed...maybe...or thrown in jail...maybe...but their tactics are, to say the least, questionable.

Oh, and before someone accuses me of being some sort of Trump/GOP fan-boi...**shudder**, I don't trust them, or much like 'em for that matter, either.

A plague on all their houses. I'd just as soon see the lot of 'em gone. Or, at the least, rendered harmless. But all too many buy into the crap they're selling...whether it's here, or Mother Russia, or Europe, or where the Hell ever. So that's unlikely to ever happen. But I can dream.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 12:55 AM
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I hope that better political parties leap forth into the game after all this mess.
We the people everywhere are to blame tbh always voting for the same ones like a footy team it is the same over here.
We need real change.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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This fantasy that there will ever be more than a fleeting chance of a third party ever truly catching on, much less more than that, is just that...fantasy.

The powers that be, whoever that may be at any given time, will not allow for that. Look how quickly the TeaParty was rendered just another branch of the Republican party. Or Takeover Wallstreet became nothing more than a Democratic party footnote...

It would take a Parting of the Red Sea-class miracle for it to ever happen.

Maybe anti-monopoly policy might work...though I doubt it, as that would require govt. to work against its own interests.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: seagull

It is all just about the corporations money is the be all and end all.
We are just tools for the elite policy will always favour them.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: testingtesting

Thing is, if more of us would realize that we're being played for fools, that couldn't happen, not wouldn't, but couldn't. They, those playing us, wouldn't dare.

But that's been the sad reality for much longer than any of us care to think about, much less do anything about...

Very much a case of, we get what we deserve, more often than not.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:47 AM
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I agree I think maybe 30 40 years ago we wouldn't have just stood by but the general populace don't care as long as they are getting the latest gadgets or watching the kardashians....good god my auto correct has their name in my phone..
Screwed tbh.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: testingtesting

All this bs has made ul my mind now to bugger off and buy a farm in Bulgaria. 10 k run down farm barn loads of land and a forest.
Gonna just live off the land and go off grid.
That's my plan by the time I'm 50.



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