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Because both involve possible shady actions being taken to spy on oppoenents.
But I agree, this is of a far greater magnitude than sending a couple of guys into a hotel, this is Obamas admin using the intel community to spy.
Meeting russians is not a crime. If the dossier, which was unverified and based on publicly available knowledge was used for the fisa warrant, it is a scandal bigger than watergate.
originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
I think the government breaks it's own laws frequently. I also think they only get caught when there are large political splits, watergate was such a time as is now.
When the government is unified to screw us the people they can get away with it, when they are not then they are subject to their own laws that's how it works.
Should that shield wrong doers from prosecution? Of course not, I say whenever we get a change to hold their feet to the fire do it because they are busy covering their own asses instead of raping ours.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Realtruth
I'm not seeing the similarities.
Quite different situations, actually.
originally posted by: Grambler
I have yet to see the fbi release proof that Russia hacked the dnc. I have seen evidence both ways.
Other than that hack, what else did they do? Facebook and Twitter posts?
That's laughable, especially considering we now know the people that run Facebook and Twitter censor conservative posts.
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Shhhh, wouldn't want to be accused of playing "whataboutism"
You know, once the Democrats merely accuse you of something, you aren't allowed to bring up their actions/crimes/hypocrisy because it is "whataboutism"
Giant nothing burger! The illegal investigation and wiretapping, however, is the biggest scandal to ever rock this government.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler
A lot has evolved as the months of speculation have drug on. Remember the big right-wing narrative that the dossier was the reason for the investigation? That's completely gone now after MONTHS of it being screamed from the rooftops.
And of course, people are here trying to make a comparison to Watergate that doesn't exist. I wonder why?
The memo pretty much tanked that too as there's 0 mention of Manafort or *any other member of Team Trump* being under a FISA warrant that had *anything* to do with the dossier. And this is with Nunes running his own secret investigations for a year. Why didn't they I wonder? I mean, if this was a huge politically motivated conspiracy to
stop Trump from getting electedmagically topple Trump (not sure how that works but whatever, let's run with that) and the "dodgy dossier" was the linchpin of the the whole investigationused to get a FISA warrant (in *some* way), why didn't this evil deep state cabal of Trump-hating coup conspirators use it to get FISA warrants on other people, like Trump or members of his administration or people who were still in his campaign, his friends, somebody — anybody at all — why just poor poor innocent Carter Page?
Now the overacrching narrative has contracted into, "Trump-hater Chris Steele's 'salacious and unverified' dossier was used to get a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page, former Trump campaign staffer!"
I'll wait to see the minority memo and hopefully get a fuller picture of the FISA warrant app and process. If somebody from the FBI/DOJ knowingly misled the FISC judge, that person can and should be punished.
I'm waiting to see what the OIG investigation turns up and to see what's in the minority memo.
But pretending that this is a massive scandal based on what's in that memo is more than a massive reach. They couldn't even connect the dude they've been working feverishly to smear (Strzok) with the FISA memo app or to Steele.
It's really pretty bizarre. Especially now that a Trump shill has pretty much killed off most of the narrative and took a victory lap before doing it.
So here's the stats on the days that Carter Page was under FISA warrant.
While on the Trump campaign staff: 0 days
While Obama was in office: 92 days
While Trump was in office: 268 days
Trump admin violated the rights of Saint Carter Page the Innocent 3x longer than the Obama administration! Oh, the scandal! And under Donald "Deep State" Trump's watch!