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Break down the memo for me. I must be stupid

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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:00 PM
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Let's make this simple for everyone.

FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FICA Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

1) Why was the court established?

To oversee requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law

www.abovetopsecret.com...

2) This is a quote from a recent thread of mine from CIAGypsy


But this process and institution was abused to gain a wiretap on an American citizen for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence to be used against a presidential candidate to either 1) prevent him from winning an election, or 2) used to find a reason to impeach him should he win. Let that sink in.....


3) reread 1 and 2 over and over
edit on 4-2-2018 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And thankfully we have koolaid from the Devil Nunes mouth.

Sure. Why not, I'm way too friendly to say no. Give me another line of that truth porn and a round of shots for the whole pit while we're at it. I don't like to swallow all that Newspeak without the proper spin.



Well, he IS House Intel committee, but never mind that.....



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth
Let's make this simple for everyone.

FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FICA Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

1) Why was the court established?

To oversee requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law

www.abovetopsecret.com...

2) This is a quote from a recent thread of mine from CIAGypsy


But this process and institution was abused to gain a wiretap on an American citizen for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence to be used against a presidential candidate to either 1) prevent him from winning an election, or 2) used to find a reason to impeach him should he win. Let that sink in.....


3) reread 1 and 2 over and over


Add to that, the requesting group must present evidence every 90 days to maintain the warrant and surveillance. This evidence must show progress into the investigation and show that the surveillance is justified.

The dossier was the initial justification.

The requesters used articles from sources like Yahoo News and Mother Jones as their follow up evidence, but the only thing those sources were presenting was a regurgitation of the claims in the dossier. In other words, nothing new was presented and the surveillance was being propagated by circular journalism.

The methodology used for the surveillance was incredibly shoddy, and they had to shop around for a judge to permit the continual use.

This is the epitome of government power abuse. This is exactly what Democrats, libertarians and conservatives were warning about with the Patriot Act in the first place. But because it's Trump, we're getting a massive "meh" from the left side of the aisle.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

"for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence to be used against a presidential candidate to either 1) prevent him from winning an election, or 2) used to find a reason to impeach him should he win. "

There is ZERO evidence that is or was the case and virtually endless evidence that is not true.

Trump was celebrating the FBI at his rallies for a reason.
They were his entire reason for the "Lock her up" chant.

The truth is not that the FBI was behaving politically, but the opposite, in that Politicians were unable to dictate their investigations or conclusions for political purposes.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Whatever you say....deflect, cough....



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth
Let's make this simple for everyone.

FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FICA Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

1) Why was the court established?

To oversee requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law

www.abovetopsecret.com...

2) This is a quote from a recent thread of mine from CIAGypsy


But this process and institution was abused to gain a wiretap on an American citizen for the sole purpose of gathering intelligence to be used against a presidential candidate to either 1) prevent him from winning an election, or 2) used to find a reason to impeach him should he win. Let that sink in.....


3) reread 1 and 2 over and over

But,but,but, the warrant was secured before Mullers investigation started.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



No. It isn't. Trump was cleared once, with all publically available evidence (and what they had in private) You're scared to answer my questions, because you know it completely deconstructs your false narrative.


It's not just about Trump and I am not scared to answer your questions. The problem is I cannot answer them because they are loaded questions based on false pretenses.



Nothing changed after that point. No new revelations, short of the dirty debunked dossier (debunked in that Steele admited he was anti-Trump, and it was obviously a campaign hitjob to begin with = conflict of interest, no credibility) had been released. So what evidence was used to justify YET ANOTHER investigation of the same matter? Nothing new came out, save for the dirty dossier. So I ask again, where did the NEW evidence come from justifying yet another investigation? Because as I pointed out, he was cleared by the FBI once already.


And here is that horrible logic. The public is not going to know what the investigators know and the investigators are not going to tell us anything until the investigation is over.



That isn't deflection, it is the most relevant question that could be asked at this moment.


It's laughable at best, to say the least. Kind of like your assertion that Hillary was fired from the WG commission.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: amazing


The Nunes memo is a 'nothing burger without the bun'.


edit on 4-2-2018 by Erno86 because: added a few words



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

AKA Trump doesn't care if the Memo says anything, he just wants cover to stop the investigation.

Well, any of us would be pretty ticked about a witch hunt directed at us.

And while I don't think Trump is perfect; as a former Investigator myself, and in my own opinion, I don't see evidence of collusion with Russia and I think an obstruction charge would be bullsnip and just a political ploy.

We all should be hacked off about FISA abuses.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Lucidparadox

No, he clearly did not collude with Russia, though it is clear that the DNC colluded with a British spy and a private company to produce a dossier on a Presidential candidate who happened to be the opposition candidate.....
no conflict of interest there right?



Considering the fact that the UK is our ally and and Russia is not.

No

Not at all.

And just because something comes from the opposition doesnt makenit false.. theres no one looking at you closer than your enemy.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Lucidparadox

No, he clearly did not collude with Russia, though it is clear that the DNC colluded with a British spy and a private company to produce a dossier on a Presidential candidate who happened to be the opposition candidate.....
no conflict of interest there right?



Considering the fact that the UK is our ally and and Russia is not.

No

Not at all.

And just because something comes from the opposition doesnt makenit false.. theres no one looking at you closer than your enemy.


Got it, foreign interference that helps your team is ok!

Its just when you think foreign interference helped the other side that you have a problem, thanks for the clarification.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: soberbacchus

AKA Trump doesn't care if the Memo says anything, he just wants cover to stop the investigation.



as a former Investigator myself, and in my own opinion, I don't see evidence of collusion with Russia


You "opinion" is unqualified and irrelevant.

As are most of our "opinions" on his potential guilt.

That is what legitimate and warranted investigations are for.


and I think an obstruction charge would be bullsnip and just a political ploy.


See above.




We all should be hacked off about FISA abuses.


Agreed. But there is no evidence the FISA court was "abused".



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Lucidparadox

No, he clearly did not collude with Russia, though it is clear that the DNC colluded with a British spy and a private company to produce a dossier on a Presidential candidate who happened to be the opposition candidate.....
no conflict of interest there right?



Considering the fact that the UK is our ally and and Russia is not.

No

Not at all.

And just because something comes from the opposition doesnt makenit false.. theres no one looking at you closer than your enemy.


Got it, foreign interference that helps your team is ok!

Its just when you think foreign interference helped the other side that you have a problem, thanks for the clarification.



And there are two more points on this.

1. Just because a country is our ally doesnt mean they dont have a preference and desire to have one candidate over another. Just check out the BBCs coverage of the election, and its clear they hated trump. So why is there influence on the election acceptable.

2. That british spy, steele got his info from the kremlin. If getting dirt from the kremlin to affect our country is wrong, going through a british spy to do it doesnt make it ok.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Lucidparadox

No, he clearly did not collude with Russia, though it is clear that the DNC colluded with a British spy and a private company to produce a dossier on a Presidential candidate who happened to be the opposition candidate.....
no conflict of interest there right?



Considering the fact that the UK is our ally and and Russia is not.

No

Not at all.

And just because something comes from the opposition doesnt makenit false.. theres no one looking at you closer than your enemy.


Oh right, so because Britain is an ally that makes it ok to use their intelligence people in a witchhunt with the Democratic National Convention and some nasty private company to do opposition research and build a fake dossier because they all just do not like Trump..... ok.... do you even have a clue what the Deep State is? The dossier was fake and there is no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. However, it does appear that Hillary Clinton was involved in the Uranium One deal with Russia.....I cannot help but wonder how some people overlook things like that when suggesting that Russia is NOT our ally. Or how they (you and others) overlook things like Obama WHILE POTUS says over a hot mic to Russian diplomat that he will have more flexibility after he gets reelected.....
I'm shaking my head that people are not seeing what is really happening here.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

We have to accept that some knew all along. These are the people that stifle others when its their team doing the treading.

Some people were just happy to piss on Trump and the TYPE of person that supported him.

These are not good people. They chose not to be. They werent tricked into it. No.

They perpetuate the injustice perpetrated.

It takes a lot of bad people to defraud a system with many checks and balances.

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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: The GUT


I didn't vote for him, but it seems to me that he was vindicated by this memo. Yes the court failed miserably, but somehow DJT knew they were tailing him.

How he found out would be the more interesting part.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: M5xaz



You are the one repeating unsourced, uninformed propaganda, throughout this thread.


I think that is an "I know you are but what am I" sort of argument.



Deep projection issues- I can only imaging the hurt you must be going through, seeing your self-image of an "informed superior liberal" being exposed for just what it is, an uninformed lemming.Throughout this thread, your narcissist rage is showing.


I'm not a liberal and it appears you may be the one projecting.

Though, I'm not too concerned about what you think of me personally. I'd rather you post real evidence and stop deflecting.

Why haven't you done so?



With respect to even more factual information, here you go: “McCabe did in fact testify under oath that there would not have been a FISA warrant if not for the dossier. It was recorded,” Rep. Zeldin tweeted.


That could very well be true and it still not mean what you think it means.

Think about that.


I have been providing sources and references througout. You haven't. And then complain about deflecting. In the same post where I provide yet another source and evidence.

Your arguments just boil down to "because".

Deny Ignorance.



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Amazing, all of a sudden the GOP are so into civil rights.

All those years when the FBI WAS BREAKING DOWN THE DOORS OF BLACK PANTHERS AND KILLING SOME OF THEM…

Wiretapping MLK and doing all kinds of stuff through Cointelpro, all of a sudden a case against a lying ass billionaire they get all bent out of shape.

Sure, they relied somewhat, on a known reliable MI6 agent.

They get warrants based on criminals, drug dealers, prostitutes all the time. So what so bad as a ex-MI6 agent ?




Poor comparison.
"Black Panther Party members were involved in many fatal firefights with police including Huey Newton allegedly killing officer John Frey in 1967 and the 1968 Eldridge Cleaver led ambush of Oakland police officers which wounded two officers and killed Panther Bobby Hutton. The party was also involved in many internal conflicts including the murders of Alex Rackley and Betty Van Patter." They were a terrorist organization.
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

twitter.com...



posted on Feb, 4 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: M5xaz




the Steele dossier’s (potentially biased) provenance was public knowledge by the time the surveillance application was up for renewal, and the court chose to renew it anyway.


qz.com...

The court knew about the dossier and the dossier even now is not proven false.

They get warrants based on drug dealers words, so here they get one based on an ally MI6 reliable source

Big deal


1. In getting an interception warrant, any LEA must provide all information they have to the court. None of the information they have may be witheld, whether it is drug dealer testimony or dossier provenance. Omitting information willfully is a felony. It is a big deal.

2. With respect to the "dossier", the FBI got legal subpoenas from Congress on 3 occasions to provide supporting information - the FBI was unable to provide any. Dossier is thus what it is, political garbage funded by the queen of garbage, Hillary. Nothing else.
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