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House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

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posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: luthier

So the memo was a dud and Devin Nunes has finally admitted the only thing he could hang his hat on in the Memo was a lie.

that took 24 hours.

I hope Nunes thinks it was worth it.



“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,” the memo alleged.


Lie.

So admits Nunes now.

www.politico.com...

Why did he choose to Lie in the Memo? He knew the underlying intelligence.


Did you read your source? The footnote was vague and didn't mention the Clinton campaign or the DNC. The problem is that the FISA court didn't know Trump's opponent's paid for this info. The footnote doesn't change that.

What difference would that make if the information it contains was verified independently. Remember, the actual warrant is still classified.


The Woods protocol requires any FISA warrant that targets a US citizen to have all information used in the warrant application be verified / corroborated. It has been in place since the early 2000's and was done because agencies were abusing FISA then by targeting US citizens using less than above board information.

If the material was not verified / corroborated then the applications for the FISA warrants were/are invalid. If the warrant applications used info not verified / corroborated then the people who filled out the application blatantly lied to the court.


Ah, the early 2000s. When liberals still cared about civil liberties and all other priorities and ethics hadn't been rescinded to #getTrump by any means necessary.




posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Sillyolme

No, it is not nearly over:
Steele wrote memo based on information fed through Clinton campaign

Now people start going to jail.

As bad it looked for the Dems before, it just got worse. We now know that at least some of the information in the Dossier was given to him by Clinton's people.

So, now we have a dodgy dossier whose information comes from a mixture of Russian intelligence and the Clintons, with a 4Chan troll thrown in for good measure. And this was presented to the courts as a document that should be taken seriously.

And we're supposed to worry about Trump's foreign dealings?


And don't forget---Yahoo News is now a legitimate source of information for the FISA court! Who was it that signed an affidavit as Yahoo News? Or does this court not require affidavits?


That would've been Mr. Comey, who knew at the time virtually nothing in this dossier had been verified.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Republicans concede key FBI 'footnote' in Carter Page warrant




Devin Nunes said Monday the FBI had disclosed political backing for a Trump-Russia dossier in October 2016, but a controversial GOP memo released last week did not mention it.



All the lies and distortions in the memo are being exposed

Your cite is a dishonest hack article that buries the lead. Your clue should have been that it takes so long to reveal what Nunes actually said:


But in an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Nunes was asked about reports over the weekend that the FBI application did refer to a political entity connected to the dossier. It is unclear precisely what language the application might have used.

Nunes conceded that a "footnote" to that effect was included in the application, while faulting the bureau for failing to provide more specifics.

"A footnote saying something may be political is a far cry from letting the American people know that the Democrats and the Hillary campaign paid for dirt that the FBI then used to get a warrant on an American citizen to spy on another campaign," Nunes said on "Fox & Friends."


The FBI was legally required to provide potentially exculpatory information for the court to consider. The fact that these "political entities" were in fact Trump's opponent in the presidential election is absolutely relevant info that speaks to the credibility (or lack thereof) of the information.

Trey Gowdy, who has seen the FISA warrant application, made a comment suggesting that the footnote's language was complicated and unclear.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: face23785
So it was Comey who inserted the Yahoo story? Nobody from Yahoo signed an affidavit?

How is a news story even considered since it cannot give Oath or affirmation? It would require the writer/s of the story to give Oath or affirmation.... But the journalist couldn't be forced to give up sources....so why even bother? Why use a news story in an attempt to get a spying warrant? Just doesn't make any sense at all to me. Has an odor of desperation that I've seen previously only in local government when their corruption is about to be revealed.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Steele and Fusiongps shopped the dossier around to media outlets. Yahoo news carried a story on the dossier (or a part of it). The FBI in turn used the yahoo story to lend credibility to the dossier.

It is called circular reporting.

In the real world its called bovine defecation.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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Well this is embarrassing... Cant wait for an explanation.

In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee – In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He’s a Spy…


In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]

Sources: ♦ In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov. LINK HERE In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY:

Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced that EVGENY BURYAKOV, a/k/a “Zhenya,” pled guilty today to conspiring to act in the United States as an agent of the Russian Federation, without providing prior notice to the Attorney General.

[…] The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices.(more)


Click link for full article and supporting documentation.



posted on Feb, 5 2018 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I mean -- at least in theory -- they could have found something to indicate he was playing both sides of the fence. But at this point, like so many things surrounding this all, it looks really bad. And I'm not buying anybody's take until we get the actual warrant application. This is like a bad made for TV movie at this point.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 12:11 AM
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After the revelations that are coming out today here is the take on the events:

This is not about justice, this all about politics, and what to show the public. This memo, contained only part of the story, and it was what the republicans wanted the people to see, and not the whole truth. To admit now that they picked the data and fail to reveal the whole truth, does no one any good. And it leads to questions, as to why are the Republicans playing politics with Justice and making a bigger mess, than what it should be?



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 12:16 AM
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WHY is it a big deal AT THIS TIME that the Trump-Russia Dossier was used to obtain a FISA spy warrant on C. Page, when this was first reported waaaay back in April of 2017?


The FBI used information from the explosive, unverified dossier detailing President Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia to obtain a warrant to secretly monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page.


Source Article - dtd 4.18.2017: www.businessinsider.com...



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 04:30 AM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

The issue though is the Republican memo is correct and Democrats have confirmed it (not disclosing to the judge the Clinton/DNC were involved).

The Democrats are playing a game and are trying to discredit the memo to save themselves. What Democrats lied about was how the information in the fisa warrant was footnoted. The disclosure to the court was "info came from political sources" which was a lie by omission. They hid who the political sources were IE the DNC / Clinton / Fusiongps / Steele and if I had to guess the Democrats memo will repeat that omission / lie.


Also -
The Times Asks Court to Unseal Documents on Surveillance of Carter Page

WASHINGTON — The New York Times is asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents related to the wiretapping of Carter Page, the onetime Trump campaign adviser at the center of a disputed memo written by Republican staffers on the House Intelligence Committee.

The motion is unusual. No such wiretapping application materials apparently have become public since Congress first enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978. That law regulates electronic spying on domestic soil — the interception of phone calls and emails — undertaken in the name of monitoring suspected spies and terrorists, as opposed to wiretapping for investigating ordinary criminal suspects.

Normally, even the existence of such material is a closely guarded secret. While applications for criminal wiretaps often eventually become public, the government has refused to disclose the contents of applications for intelligence wiretaps — even to defendants who are later prosecuted on the basis of information derived from them.


click link for full article...
edit on 6-2-2018 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Judging evidence and ruling evidence as illegal is part of the job. There were four judges, all perusing same documents. Pretty stupid judges if they didn’t notice an incendiary document like the dossier, especially about the president.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Xcathdra

Judging evidence and ruling evidence as illegal is part of the job. There were four judges, all perusing same documents. Pretty stupid judges if they didn’t notice an incendiary document like the dossier, especially about the president.


As usual, you're completely missing the point. The judges wouldn't know it was a bogus document when they were presented it like it was fact by the FBI. Judges don't do investigating. They rule based on what they're presented. The FBI dishonestly led them to believe the dossier was factual, when it was essentially a tabloid piece full of rumors with a few things that had already been reported thrown in to make it look legit. The judges got fooled, just like you.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: face23785

As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s a secret court, you were not there or privy to classified info. You have faith in a memo written by Nunes and staff. He wasn’t in the court proceedings either. Who is the fool.
Do your own research but that’s their job, to judge the evidence. Maybe not where you live.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

COMEY: I didn’t use the term counterintelligence. I was briefing him about salacious and unverified material. It was in a context of that that he had a strong and defensive reaction about that not being true. My reading of it was it was important for me to assure him we were not person investigating him.


The issue is you keep quoting the wrong statement, to push a point. You are pulling the wrong quote.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: face23785

As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s a secret court, you were not there or privy to classified info. You have faith in a memo written by Nunes and staff. He wasn’t in the court proceedings either. Who is the fool.
Do your own research but that’s their job, to judge the evidence. Maybe not where you live.


I have faith in the part that even the Democrats have acknowledged. They didn't tell the court that the dossier was funded by Clinton and the DNC. Both sides agree on that, and that's a damning fact to be left out and it misled the court. We also know for a fact the dossier is mostly bull#. That's a fact. None of this requires faith. The court was misled and presented a bogus political document as if it was factual. They got misled and so did you.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: face23785

You have your opinion but I will trust the judges. They aren’t that dumb.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Well this is embarrassing... Cant wait for an explanation.

In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee – In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He’s a Spy…


In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]

Sources: ♦ In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov. LINK HERE In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY:

Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced that EVGENY BURYAKOV, a/k/a “Zhenya,” pled guilty today to conspiring to act in the United States as an agent of the Russian Federation, without providing prior notice to the Attorney General.

[…] The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices.(more)


Click link for full article and supporting documentation.

Yep. Sure looks now like Page may have been inserted into Trump's campaign specifically to justify spying on the campaign. ("Oooooh, look! Carter Page is a known Russian spy!
We need a FISA warrant!")

Seriously, FBI agents need to go to prison for this. This is a criminal conspiracy at minimum. Treason is not too strong a word to use here.

edit on 6-2-2018 by AndyFromMichigan because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

You have jumped the shark with your citations lately.

You are posting a ton of outright FAKENEWS.

Your source is a know Fake News site and has a long list of debunked news stories.

SNOPES even has a page dedicate to them:
www.snopes.com...




edit on 6-2-2018 by soberbacchus because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Xcathdra

You have jumped the shark with your citations lately.

You are posting a ton of outright FAKENEWS.

Your source is a know Fake News site and has a long list of debunked news stories.

SNOPES even has a page dedicate to them:
www.snopes.com...





In this instance, the conservatove treehouse is wrong, Page was not UCE 1, he was Male 1. He wasnt an fbi employee, but he was a witness that was accused of no wrong doing by the FBI>

WHo cares what snopes says, they are a left wing shill site that is wrong all of the time.



posted on Feb, 6 2018 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: face23785

You have your opinion but I will trust the judges. They aren’t that dumb.


It's not an opinion that the dossier is full of unsubstantiated rumors and that it was not revealed to the judges that it was funded by Clinton and the DNC. Even the Democrats have conceded that. These aren't opinions. I know in grade school you learned that "opinions can't be wrong" so you just call everything your opinion so nobody can tell you you're wrong, but if your opinion is based on nonsense, in the adult world you may have to accept the fact that you're wrong. Judges aren't superhuman. They aren't going to just magically know the FBI is misleading them. They only know what they're presented, and you know that. You just need to pretend otherwise because the Trump-Russia myth is on its last legs. Time to grow up and accept reality.



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