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House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

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posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Just for fun and of course metaphorically speaking...would you rather have someone making deals for real estate or weapons grade uranium?

You are being extremely naive if you don't realize the "collateral intelligence" they collected on Trump was intentional while monitoring Page. Who is the bigger fish? Page was nothing more than a conduit to allow them to illegally gather intelligence on a then private citizen of the US.

Which is illegal.




posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:30 AM
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But it is ironic that if the left’s ideology is so righteous it takes unprecedented illegal spying on political rivals to maintain power?

What was the chargeable crime that warranted the Mueller investigation?



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Xcathdra

What it doesn't say: Carter Page had been monitored for over three years because of his associations with Russian intelligence. He was one of several Trump campaign members who kept coming up on routine surveillance of Russian agents. These two facts were the basis of the FISA warrant, not the dossier. Speaking of the dossier, the origin is irrelevant, and it is significant that Nunes, who was part of Trump's transition team and the probable "leak" that got Trump to think he was "wiretapped," goes to such great lengths to make it look like some sort of political weapon. The dossier did claim that Page would get Trump to soften on Russia in exchange for a real estate deal. Trump did, in fact, soften the party's stand on Ukraine. (Time will tell if we eventually see a Trump Sevastopol Casino.)


Pages history can npt be the reason for a fisa warrant.



Of course it can.


If that was the case, seeing as how hillary and her team


But, but, but HILLARY!!!




Trump stance on russia is irrelevant to rather there should have been a warrant. He has alos done a lot of things to make russia mad, such as authorizing some sanctions, EO to freeze people connected with fpriegn bad actors money, his stance in syria, etc.


Wow...you should watch the news sometime.

He defied congress (Again) in not issuing sanctions by this week as he was obligated to do.

Trump administration holds off on new Russia sanctions, despite law
www.reuters.com...

Trump just decided not to sanction Russia for its election meddling
www.vox.com...

The Trump Administration Won't Impose New Sanctions on Russia
time.com...

And just to prove his head is thoroughly up Putins rear end, He had the Russian Spy Chief (banned by sanctions from visiting the USA) visit DC last week and meet with Mike Pompeo.
CIA chief met with sanctioned Russian spies, officials confirm
www.cnn.com...



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: talisman

Concerns about leaks ... Call a plumber. The leaks aren't a problem like the info being leaked though.

And most of the leaks are from the stooge gallery that is trumps whitehouse not Muellers team.
Denial is not just a river in egypt.


I saw a post from you saying you have no problem admitting when you are wrong here recently. I also saw where you predicted this memo would never be released because there were things in the memo Trump wanted to keep hidden. Have you already admitted to being wrong and I missed it? I figured replying to a post where you state 'denial is not just a river in Egypt' is a good place to ask.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: DJW001

Just for fun and of course metaphorically speaking...would you rather have someone making deals for real estate or weapons grade uranium?

You are being extremely naive if you don't realize the "collateral intelligence" they collected on Trump was intentional while monitoring Page. Who is the bigger fish? Page was nothing more than a conduit to allow them to illegally gather intelligence on a then private citizen of the US.

Which is illegal.



"Collateral intelligence" is exactly why the unmasking story that quickly dropped out of the news cycle is going to be a big deal against. They are doing their homework first and the final story should be pretty interesting.

Congressional investigations into the FBI, DOJ, and State (also "other" agencies) are admittedly underway so far. Should be an interesting year...



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: smurfy

Yeah there is no such crime as collusion if the federal body of law (criminal).

Cornell - Federal Law

Take all the time you need however there is no collusion law in criminal codes.


*suspects violations of 40 U.S.C. 559, fraud, bribery, or criminal collusion .........
*Must be referred to a Federal agency.

So there it is, Criminal Collusion


Yup.. now, as I said there is no such crime as collusion in the federal body of law (criminal). Maybe next time learn what anti trust laws are and how they apply.

40 U.S. Code § 559 - Advice of Attorney General with respect to antitrust law



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

Fox is going to have to go the way of Before It's News.
They are no longer a credible source of info.
They have become the mouth piece of the president who is a crook.



lol yeah ok...

Denial comes in many forms with you.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Xcathdra

What it doesn't say: Carter Page had been monitored for over three years because of his associations with Russian intelligence. He was one of several Trump campaign members who kept coming up on routine surveillance of Russian agents. These two facts were the basis of the FISA warrant, not the dossier. Speaking of the dossier, the origin is irrelevant, and it is significant that Nunes, who was part of Trump's transition team and the probable "leak" that got Trump to think he was "wiretapped," goes to such great lengths to make it look like some sort of political weapon. The dossier did claim that Page would get Trump to soften on Russia in exchange for a real estate deal. Trump did, in fact, soften the party's stand on Ukraine. (Time will tell if we eventually see a Trump Sevastopol Casino.)


Pages history can npt be the reason for a fisa warrant.

If that was the case, seeing as how hillary and her team have been under fbi investigation in the past, trump should be allowed to use the fbi to spy on all of them due to this.

Clearly the dossier was used for the warrant; your ignoring this and claiming it was only pages past is laughable.

It does matter how the warrant started. Again, if it doesnt matter, then I am sure you have no problem with Trump getting warrants to spy on all of his opponents.

Trump stance on russia is irrelevant to rather there should have been a warrant. He has alos done a lot of things to make russia mad, such as authorizing some sanctions, EO to freeze people connected with fpriegn bad actors money, his stance in syria, etc.



and recent info says they extended the surveillance 4 times using different judges. If confirmed as fact that is another sign of corruption in this mess created by Democrats.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: DJW001

Just for fun and of course metaphorically speaking...would you rather have someone making deals for real estate or weapons grade uranium?

You are being extremely naive if you don't realize the "collateral intelligence" they collected on Trump was intentional while monitoring Page. Who is the bigger fish? Page was nothing more than a conduit to allow them to illegally gather intelligence on a then private citizen of the US.

Which is illegal.



Congressional investigations into the FBI, DOJ, and State (also "other" agencies) are admittedly underway so far. Should be an interesting year...


Paul Ryan, Leader of the House at the Republican Retreat today:
"This memo is NOT an indictment of the FBI, the Department of Justice, it does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the Deputy Attorney General"
www.breitbart.com...

This memo is Heraldo Rivera and Al Capones Vault.

Such a failure at such an expense. The vast majority of the public no longer thinks the GOP have any credibility left.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: DJW001

Just for fun and of course metaphorically speaking...would you rather have someone making deals for real estate or weapons grade uranium?

You are being extremely naive if you don't realize the "collateral intelligence" they collected on Trump was intentional while monitoring Page. Who is the bigger fish? Page was nothing more than a conduit to allow them to illegally gather intelligence on a then private citizen of the US.

Which is illegal.



Congressional investigations into the FBI, DOJ, and State (also "other" agencies) are admittedly underway so far. Should be an interesting year...


Paul Ryan, Leader of the House at the Republican Retreat today:
"This memo is NOT an indictment of the FBI, the Department of Justice, it does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the Deputy Attorney General"
www.breitbart.com...

This memo is Heraldo Rivera and Al Capones Vault.

Such a failure at such an expense. The vast majority of the public no longer thinks the GOP have any credibility left.


One thing the memo has further showed us is that some people, like you, have no problem cheering for the intel community acting inappropriately too spy on political opponents as long as its agiant the politicians you dont like.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
But it is ironic that if the left’s ideology is so righteous it takes unprecedented illegal spying on political rivals to maintain power?

What was the chargeable crime that warranted the Mueller investigation?


This, bolded by me, is the key. It is why Manafort filed his legal challenge. A crime must exist for the special counsel law to be valid and it must be listed on the authorizing paperwork.

Since collusion is not a crime the special counsel never should have been appointed.



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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Well the DOJ filed a motion for dismissal so we should see soon how right or wrong you are.

Bare minimum is they transfer it to the criminal court. Which the prosecution has agreed to.
edit on 3-2-2018 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
Wow...you should watch the news sometime.

Personally, I prefer non-fiction myself, I HIGHLY recommend it...





posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Can you give a bit more for context?
edit on 3-2-2018 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux


Sorry if my wording was poor.

Oh! Sorry to jump to conclusions.

You're right though, and whether they realize it or not, those who never give Trump a single iota of credit for what he does have caused such knee-jerk reactions. It's one thing to point out flaws and plant seeds of doubt, but it is quite another to manufacture flaws, hyper-analyze every word, twist statements and use them to condemn, and wildly scream at every perceived flaw, no matter how minute, whether in the distant past, assumed to exist in the present, or predicted to happen in the future. By their very actions, the anti-Trump crowd drives Trump supporters to fiercely defend him at every turn and those who are unsure to side with him.

Again, please accept my apologies for jumping to conclusions. I guess I needed the exercise.


TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: DJW001

Just for fun and of course metaphorically speaking...would you rather have someone making deals for real estate or weapons grade uranium?

You are being extremely naive if you don't realize the "collateral intelligence" they collected on Trump was intentional while monitoring Page. Who is the bigger fish? Page was nothing more than a conduit to allow them to illegally gather intelligence on a then private citizen of the US.

Which is illegal.



Congressional investigations into the FBI, DOJ, and State (also "other" agencies) are admittedly underway so far. Should be an interesting year...


Paul Ryan, Leader of the House at the Republican Retreat today:
"This memo is NOT an indictment of the FBI, the Department of Justice, it does not impugn the Mueller investigation or the Deputy Attorney General"
www.breitbart.com...

This memo is Heraldo Rivera and Al Capones Vault.

Such a failure at such an expense. The vast majority of the public no longer thinks the GOP have any credibility left.


One thing the memo has further showed us is that some people, like you, have no problem cheering for the intel community acting inappropriately too spy on political opponents as long as its agiant the politicians you dont like.



I am ALL FOR the intel community spying on potential traitors and criminals.
Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
It's their job and patriotic duty

The Nunes Memo is a Dud

Trump Just Shot Himself in the Foot

The Memo Lands with a Dud

GOP strategist: Nunes memo "like Al Capone's safe"



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

and yet everyone on the left predicted Armageddon if the memo was released.


Now its a dud?


LOL ok...



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Sure the DOJ has filed a motion to dismiss the civil case.


The Justice Department argued that the claims "lack merit," and pointed to Rosenstein's December testimony before Congress that Mueller's investigation was being carried out within its set boundaries.

thehill.com...



posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Murgatroid






posted on Feb, 3 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Thank you.. The defense the government used, that Rosenstein said it was ok to Congress, is not really a legal argument that addresses the issues raised by Manafort.

With that said I guess we wait.



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