House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Xcathdra

What it doesn't say: Carter Page had been monitored for over three years because of his associations with Russian intelligence. He was one of several Trump campaign members who kept coming up on routine surveillance of Russian agents. These two facts were the basis of the FISA warrant, not the dossier. Speaking of the dossier, the origin is irrelevant, and it is significant that Nunes, who was part of Trump's transition team and the probable "leak" that got Trump to think he was "wiretapped," goes to such great lengths to make it look like some sort of political weapon. The dossier did claim that Page would get Trump to soften on Russia in exchange for a real estate deal. Trump did, in fact, soften the party's stand on Ukraine. (Time will tell if we eventually see a Trump Sevastopol Casino.)

Pages history can npt be the reason for a fisa warrant.

If that was the case, seeing as how hillary and her team have been under fbi investigation in the past, trump should be allowed to use the fbi to spy on all of them due to this.

Clearly the dossier was used for the warrant; your ignoring this and claiming it was only pages past is laughable.

It does matter how the warrant started. Again, if it doesnt matter, then I am sure you have no problem with Trump getting warrants to spy on all of his opponents.

Trump stance on russia is irrelevant to rather there should have been a warrant. He has alos done a lot of things to make russia mad, such as authorizing some sanctions, EO to freeze people connected with fpriegn bad actors money, his stance in syria, etc.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: talisman

Concerns about leaks ... Call a plumber. The leaks aren't a problem like the info being leaked though.

And most of the leaks are from the stooge gallery that is trumps whitehouse not Muellers team.
Denial is not just a river in egypt.

Of course you have no problem with illegal leaks.

Anything to get trump, right?

a reply to: DJW001

What it doesn't say: Carter Page had been monitored for over three years because of his associations with Russian intelligence.

I believe that is the heart of the concern over releasing the memo.

I looked up some info on Carter Page. I have read far too much to post it here (it's a forum, not a library), but my impression is that Page is one of those guys who never really accomplishes anything, always finds himself accused of something, and never gets anything done. He just coasts through life, always finding a way to get into minor trouble, but staying just shy of falling off the legal edge.

Page did work for the Trump Campaign, with an impressive title. I think he likely got that job because he does have an impressive resume on the surface; his life has been full of contacts with foreign governments. There is no evidence that he ever really had Trump's ear, however. Like in any business position, even the higher-ups who are brought in go through an unofficial trial period, but the FBI didn't know that. I see no issue with them trying to investigate him, but I do have issue with using the Steele dossier to justify doing so.

I really don't think at this point the Steele dossier was the lone or even the major piece of evidence used to get/retain the FISA warrants. However, it was used without proper vetting and may well have been that final piece of evidence that swayed the FISA court. That in itself is an issue.

That doesn't mean the memo does not expose some serious problems. Combined with Strzok and Steele's extreme partisanship toward Trump, it does appear on the surface at least that there was an overall attempt within the FBI to discredit Trump using the dossier... and since the dossier does apparently contain false information relating to Trump, that is an abuse of power within the nation's highest law enforcement agency. And it apparently went into the DoJ as well, since Ohr's wife had a serious conflict of interest through her work with Fusion GPS.

I'm not 100% sure just yet where Rosenstein fits into this. There have been accusations he made threats to Congress... I find that within the realm of believable, and see it as a possible verification of what I have been saying: the FBI never truly abandoned J. Edgar Hoover's political tactics. We do know Rosenstein was one of those who signed off for the FISA warrants, and now is working in Trump's DoJ overseeing the investigation surrounding Trump, shich itself seems to be the result of using that same Steele Dossier.

And then there's Hillary... of course. She funded the dossier. Will this trail of rotten bread crumbs (and I don't mean rotten $1000 bills, lol) lead back to her and the Clinton Foundation? I think it may... I hope it does.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: talisman

Concerns about leaks ... Call a plumber. The leaks aren't a problem like the info being leaked though.

And most of the leaks are from the stooge gallery that is trumps whitehouse not Muellers team.
Denial is not just a river in egypt.

Of course you have no problem with illegal leaks.

Anything to get trump, right?

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. They need Trump gone so bad they've sacrificed any pretense of even caring about the law, the election, or anything else. The end will justify the means, to them.

Whole lot of fuss over a memo that is only a brief summary of findings from a Congressional investigation. THEY are obviously terrified.

Thing is, by all accounts there's more yet to come. We've only just begun here. Mueller and team will carry on unimpeded for now. Phase 2 of the intelligence committee investigation and reportedly Senate judiciary committee results.

The facade concealing corruption at the highest levels has been cracked open giving us a peek inside. They need to bring the whole thing down so it ALL is exposed.

Why anyone, anywhere is opposed to any of this is strange to me. Seems like some people are fine with these egregious abuses of power as long as it fits within the objectives of their agendas.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: talisman

The media doesn't leak.
They report what is leaked. Just to keep this # on the level.

Since you are lost in this, I say stay lost you are helping prove the neutral to right leaning CORRECT 100%!!!

Thank you for being so clearly delusional in this matter, and many others. We can see clearly with that example......

a reply to: burntheships

The news reports were false, and Carter Page is suing Yahoo. He will also use this FISA Memo in that suit.

And they say there's no such thing as 'FAKE NEWS'.

Seven figures possibly eight figures. Judgement or settlement.

a reply to: ausername

Whole lot of fuss over a memo that is only a brief summary of findings from a Congressional investigation. THEY are obviously terrified.

Nail - Head - Direct Hit.

It always raises my interest when one of the swamp critters gets excited. They are, by all looks, the most powerful people in America. They are also the most corrupt. So when they start getting scared and acting like their heads are on fire and their rears are catching, it tells me there is at least the potential of some very interesting exposes getting close to the surface.

That is the one thing that brings me back to being a Trump supporter whenever I start to get concerned about him. He seems to remain calm, cool, and collected. The critters are thrashing about like a 'gator with jock itch.

It's happened over and over since the 2016 election, and all those episodes have something in common: the FBI. When Trump was elected, he was elected to be the head of the DoJ and the FBI as part of his position; the critters went insane. When Trump appointed Sessions to lead the DoJ (putting him in charge of the FBI), the critters went insane. When Trump fired Comey, head of the FBI, the critters went insane. When Trump allowed the declassification of this memo, dealing with FBI corruption, the critters went insane.

I see a pattern. Anyone else see it yet?

It just makes sense that the FBI is the center of power in Washington, with a database full of dirt on every critter for miles around. As previously mentioned, there are rumors that Rosenstein already threatened Congress with disclosure of personal data... what could scare a critter worse than someone like Trump, uncontrollable, unshakable, and all business, getting his hands on dirt that could destroy them?

Is it just me, or does the swamp water level look a little lower this morning?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: UKTruth

Guess they're going to have to call the four different judges who approved the warrant to testify what info the deemed credible....

You should probably research if there were 4 separate judges for each warrant.

Jest saying... You might be surprised.

A few things don't add up. Here is Comey's prepared testimony

"The IC leadership thought it important, for a variety of reasons, to alert the incoming President to the existence of this material, even though it was salacious and unverified. Among those reasons were: (1) we knew the media was about to publicly report the material and we believed the IC should not keep knowledge of the material and its imminent release from the President-Elect; and (2) to the extent there was some effort to compromise an incoming President, we could blunt any such effort with a defensive briefing."

PREPARED TESTIMONY


So this material was used for a FISA warrant, and then at some point later given to John Mccain to give to the FBI? Something isn't right in the story. Also, the briefing by Comey on the Dossier, just so happened to be leaked to the media soon after.

It seems what James Clapper said here is a lie

Clapper
Clapper also said the dossier contents had been “widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it.”

The IC obviously was aware of it before.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Patience. When the manure is this deep it takes a bit of digging to make sure that you've gotten to the bottom of it. Make no mistake, this is not a new thing within these agencies---it is a decades old problem.

Don't know if you're old enough to remember WaterGate but in case you're not---it took two years of investigations before anything real popped to the public. This is far more massive and serious than breaking into campaign headquarters so whoever is herding this flock of ducks into line has a lot of work to do.

I have all the patience in the world. I truly want there to be information to burn everything to the ground. How many on this site told everybody that this memo would be the end of the line for Hillary, Obama, and the Democrats? All of the usual suspects that regurgitate that nonsense. Now that the memo is out, the goalposts have been moved to “wait for then IG report, wait for phase 2, etc...”.

The gist of this whole thing is that there are people who literally think the whole system is out to get President Trump. They’ve supplied no concrete evidence to assert their claims.

Let’s assume the memo is true, as I have no real reason to doubt its veracity one way or the other.

1) The FISA warrant used and reissued was based on the Steele Dossier. We have no idea if the Dossier was the only piece of evidence used to obtain the FISA warrant, as the memo doesn’t state that to be the case. We have no idea how much of the Dossier has been verified.

2) The FISA warrant was reinstated multiple times, by people from the Justice Department (who have been named), and signed off on by anonymous judges. Some of those from the JD that were named have been elevated in the JD by President Trump himself. So we are asked to believe that these people have such a hatred for the President that they’d take illegal measures to take him down, when the President they hate so much has elevated their careers. That they’d risk imprisonment on one hand, while still working their way up in their respective careers. I’m not saying that’s not possible, it’s just extremely improbable.

You have had well respected Republicans state that this does not impede or discredit the Mueller investigation. I suspect if this was truly the “bombshell” that people were stating it would be that this would not be the case.

People on both sides are still waiting.

Meanwhile, the Mueller investigation has currently brought charges up on 4 separate people. Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates, and George Papadopoulos.

So while we get millions of posts a day on this site, that amount to nothing, we seldom see posts regarding an ongoing investigation that has currently brought down some players connected to Donald Trump.

I’ve been on ATS for close to a decade now, probably longer because I used to lurk. This is a conspiracy website, that generally misses the actual conspiracies taking place while pushing nonsense. It’s not new (and I’m not innocent in this as I too have gotten caught up), but as I’ve grown and become a little more wiser it is very disheartening to see the same guys year after year after year keep posting the same BS. Just sad to see people who I read nearly everyday not learn from their mistakes.

Anybody who’s been around for a while knows that this memo and any other subsequent reports attempting to discredit will be empty. Meanwhile, the ACTUAL conspiracy (the Mueller investigation), will go along bringing more charges to more people as time goes on.

The Mueller investigation is the next “Watergate” as so many like to claim (it’s not, as there will never be another Watergate). The other nonsense is just white noise.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: UKTruth

Guess they're going to have to call the four different judges who approved the warrant to testify what info the deemed credible when considering this because this is implicating everybody who had a hand in it. Saying the judges were biased and everybody was out to get trump. Sounds a bit paranoid trumpy baby.

Please tell us that you have been following the entire process?

The Judges were lied to. Period.

The reason the DNC and all involved that wanted these memos suppressed, was that they falsified documents to obtain the illegal wire taps, and more.

a reply to: Realtruth

The reason the DNC and all involved that wanted these memos suppressed, was that they falsified documents to obtain the illegal wire taps, and more.

Yep.

I wonder what their code name was for their frame up job.

'Dump Trump' ?

'Code Orange' ?

Their gun running to mexico was named after the movie Fast and Furious.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Remember the fuss/hissy fit over Trump claiming he was wired tapped?

And hit pieces like this?

Donald Trump still has no evidence that his wiretapping claim was right
By Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 12:17 PM EDT, Tue September 19, 2017
www.cnn.com...

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Like how you ignore the DNC bought and created false evidence from foreign nationals to manipulate the process through lies to spy on a political opponent. A process based on simple political opposition, not on evidence of a crime. Your defense of outright corruption is what is wrong with both parties......

a reply to: neutronflux

There has been so much indication that Trump Towers was surveilled (aka 'wiretapped'), it is now a foregone conclusion. This memo actually mentions the surveillance as a part of the FISA surveillance on Carter Page.

Do we have to really hash this old issue out again?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: mkultra11

Why hasn't he already pardoned Flynn. ? Shut his mouth right up and stop him from talking to Mueller?

P.S. No one made Flynn lie. Those words came out of his own mouth which isn't controlled by anyone but him.

It doesnt matter when he does it. Its going the be the same Trump derangement convulsions anyway.

From what I gather it appears that Strzok arranged an impromptu meeting with Flynn under false pretenses as a administrative visit to the White House. It then turned into an unexpected interrogation where Flynn didn't even have a lawyer. They already had their secret FISA recording and asked him about his innocuous and perfectly legal conversation with the Russian ambassador during the transition period. Maybe I'm not just as willing and compliant as others, but this definitely looks like a political hit job.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: neutronflux

There has been so much indication that Trump Towers was surveilled (aka 'wiretapped'), it is now a foregone conclusion. This memo actually mentions the surveillance as a part of the FISA surveillance on Carter Page.

Do we have to really hash this old issue out again?

TheRedneck

Sorry if my wording was poor.

It was just one early example how those that oppose Trump used any means to stonewall, distract, and right out lie. How the mainstream media ignores the truth concerning Trump. The concerted effort to destroy Trump’s credibility. Love or hate trump, the media of late has never treated Trump fairly. It is an example how wide spread the corruption really is to protect the establishment.

a reply to: talisman

Am I reading him correctly? THE DNC leaks came from the DNC? So, someone at the DNC leaked him the info?

originally posted by: WhatTheory
a reply to: Sillyolme

On numerous times in other threads, you said there was no way in the world the memo would be released. You said Trump would never declassify the memo because it contained stuff that he wanted to keep hidden.

Since clearly you are always so wrong, why should anybody care what you are saying now? Your instincts and opinions are severely flawed. You are the one now moving the goalposts.

There are not sealed filings 12 sealed indictments, Mueller isn't even looking at the Podestas. The list goes on.

You could probably make decent money betting on the opposite of whatever this poster says relating to current events.