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House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm glad you got that off your chest.

I'm not laughing or anything.




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

That would be Trump haters that in in denial.

Since they rolled out the dossier as 'proof'

Then done a total 180 and said American intelligence backs up their accusations.

The problem with that is.

The dossier.

It's been said American inteilligence justified their findings!

FACT IS it didn't.

Because there would have been absolutely no need to roll out opposition research created for/by/Paid for by the DNC and CLinton Campaigns.

Trump haters got played like a cheap third rate violin.



I don't think it's the Trump haters that just got played by the GOP memo release.

Wonder who fell for that one?


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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The country is PISSED at him.


ENOUGH!
You are NOT the voice for the United States. You are PISSED at him and, frankly, I could not care less. We have witnessed a year long investigation which has had the evidence attention span of an ADD kid who'd drank a case of Coke while eating a bag of sugar. Every.single.effing.accusation has gone nowhere except rolling into the next, even more ridiculous accusation. It has wasted resources, it has wasted time, and it has utterly destroyed this country's confidence in our intelligence community. The IC, itself, has pissed away any and all credibility they once had in spades, they have eviscerated one of the most trusted institutions in DC, and they done it thanks to the demands, pissing, moaning, crybaby horsecrap of a handful of Americans unwilling to accept reality.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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Democrats response

House Intelligence Committee Minority Response to Release of Chairman Nunes’ Misleading Memo

Washington, DC – Today, the Minority of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence responded to the release of HPSCI Chairman Nunes’ memo:

“Chairman Nunes’ decision, supported by House Speaker Ryan and Republican Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, to publicly release misleading allegations against the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation is a shameful effort to discredit these institutions, undermine the Special Counsel’s ongoing investigation, and undercut congressional probes. Furthermore, their refusal to allow release of a comprehensive response memorandum prepared by Committee Democrats is a transparent effort to suppress the full truth.

“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.

“The Republican document mischaracterizes highly sensitive classified information that few Members of Congress have seen, and which Chairman Nunes himself chose not to review. It fails to provide vital context and information contained in DOJ’s FISA application and renewals, and ignores why and how the FBI initiated, and the Special Counsel has continued, its counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s election interference and links to the Trump campaign. The sole purpose of the Republican document is to circle the wagons around the White House and insulate the President. Tellingly, when asked whether the Republican staff who wrote the memo had coordinated its drafting with the White House, the Chairman refused to answer.

“The premise of the Nunes memo is that the FBI and DOJ corruptly sought a FISA warrant on a former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, and deliberately misled the court as part of a systematic abuse of the FISA process. As the Minority memo makes clear, none of this is true. The FBI had good reason to be concerned about Carter Page and would have been derelict in its responsibility to protect the country had it not sought a FISA warrant.

“In order to understand the context in which the FBI sought a FISA warrant for Carter Page, it is necessary to understand how the investigation began, what other information the FBI had about Russia’s efforts to interfere with our election, and what the FBI knew about Carter Page prior to making application to the court – including Carter Page’s previous interactions with Russian intelligence operatives. This is set out in the Democratic response which the GOP so far refuses to make public.

“The authors of the GOP memo would like the country to believe that the investigation began with Christopher Steele and the dossier, and if they can just discredit Mr. Steele, they can make the whole investigation go away regardless of the Russians’ interference in our election or the role of the Trump campaign in that interference. This ignores the inconvenient fact that the investigation did not begin with, or arise from Christopher Steele or the dossier, and that the investigation would persist on the basis of wholly independent evidence had Christopher Steele never entered the picture.

“The DOJ appropriately provided the court with a comprehensive explanation of Russia’s election interference, including evidence that Russian agents courted another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos. As we know from Papadopoulos’ guilty plea, Russian agents disclosed to Papadopoulos their possession of stolen Clinton emails and interest in a relationship with the campaign. In claiming that there is ‘no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos,’ the Majority deliberately misstates the reason why DOJ specifically explained Russia’s role in courting Papadopoulos and the context in which to evaluate Russian approaches to Page.

“The Majority suggests that the FBI failed to alert the court as to Mr. Steele’s potential political motivations or the political motivations of those who hired him, but this is not accurate. The GOP memo also claims that a Yahoo News article was used to corroborate Steele, but this is not at all why the article was referenced. These are but a few of the serious mischaracterizations of the FISA application. There are many more set out in the Democratic response, which we will again be seeking a vote to release publicly on Monday, February 5th. Unlike Committee Republicans, however, we will ask the relevant agencies to propose any necessary redactions to protect any sources and methods not already disclosed by Chairman Nunes’ document.

“It is telling that Chairman Nunes put out this memo without bothering to read the underlying materials, and that he ordered changes to the document without informing his own committee members. It is a terrible lapse in leadership that Speaker Ryan failed to intervene and prevent the abuse of classified materials in this way. It is tragic, if all too predictable, that this President would allow the release of the memo despite FBI and DOJ’s expressions of ‘grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the [Republicans’] memo’s accuracy’. But most destructive of all may be the announcement by Chairman Nunes that he has placed the FBI and DOJ under investigation, impugning and impairing the work of the dedicated professionals trying to keep our country safe.”

The memo and letter from the White House can be found here.



and in typical fashion the Democrats lie about the memo and what it contains.
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Nancy Pelosi is a fool. Nothing in the memo is fake. Everything in it was a synopsis of the intelligence. Releasing it did not cause a constitutional crisis. Nancy is showing her true colors. She's trying to hide a deeper corruption.

If that hag thinks it is distorted, then let's see Schifty's memo, and then let the American People see ALL the documents. #ReleaseTheDocuments.

NOT releasing it would have caused a constitutional crisis, because The American People are sick of political corruption and we absolutely want our elected president to help us get this sh*t cleaned up.

Some of the corrupt are out, demoted, leaving, fired......all great and good. Now let's prosecute and sentence some of these people....now.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
The country is PISSED at him.


ENOUGH!
You are NOT the voice for the United States. You are PISSED at him and, frankly, I could not care less.


Fair enough. I stopped reading there because I couldn't care less about your response here.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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I don't think it's the Trump haters that just got played by the GOP memo release.


Sure didn't.

Because it was ALL laid out here.

Pre memo.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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Let's just chill for a minute.

Can someone explain how a Yahoo News article has anything to do with this?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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According to Catherine Herridge, the dossier wasn't just included, it was the top line item on the FISA application.

If that was their best evidence, they had nothing. Disgraceful. The judge they tricked has got to be furious.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Let's just chill for a minute.

Can someone explain how a Yahoo News article has anything to do with this?


Steele and FusionGPS shopped the dossier around to media outlets. Those media outlets then printed articles based on what was provided to them. Those news articles (Yahoo) were then used as a validation to whats in the dossier.

In essence they made the fraudulent dossier and then used the news stories to validate it.


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The FBI was using Yahoo News articles to obtain wiretapping warrants

Let that sink in

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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
According to Catherine Herridge, the dossier wasn't just included, it was the top line item on the FISA application.

If that was their best evidence, they had nothing. Disgraceful. The judge they tricked has got to be furious.




The dossier's contents were first compiled as part of opposition research during the 2016 U.S. Republican Presidential Primary race. Once Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign.


en.wikipedia.org...

Sure IS disgraceful.

And highly illegal.

And they KNEW it which is why they retained Perkins Coie.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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And after all this Trump still beat Clinton. Bwahaha!



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:11 PM
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Let's just chill for a minute.

Can someone explain how a Yahoo News article has anything to do with this?


The FISA application used a Yahoo News article as supporting evidence that the dossier was independently verified, without noting that the Yahoo News article was actually based on information leaked to them by Steele. In other words, the dossier wasn't independently verified, and they misled the FISC.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Let's just chill for a minute.

Can someone explain how a Yahoo News article has anything to do with this?


Steele attempted to first push the dossier info to the FBI and then the FISA court. When they rejected it he then pushed it to a Yahoo reporter who then wrote a story about it. Steele then took that yahoo story and his dossier back to the FBI and FISA and used the yahoo story to corroborate his original dossier. All of which was fake to begin with.

The FBI knew this and still used both the dossier and the yahoo story to get a FISA warrant on their second go round.





posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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Steele and FusionGPS shopped the dossier around to media outlets. Those media outlets then printed articles based on what was provided to them. Those news articles (Yahoo) were then used as a validation to whats in the dossier.

In essence they made the fraudulent dossier and then used the news stories to validate it.


All without telling the FBI?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Let's just chill for a minute.

Can someone explain how a Yahoo News article has anything to do with this?

It was mentioned in the memo:

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News -- and several other outlets – in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington DC. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed."



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 02:13 PM
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So this was the much hyped memo? Lol

I’m glad no one outside the Hannity, Alex Jones, Fox News alternative reality is taking this memo seriously.

But of course the usual suspects are treating this as if it were the Nixon tapes.

Trump is probably sitting in his office watching Fox News and asking his aides if Mueller has called to apologize to him lmao
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