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House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
TLDR version:
The FBI and Democratic party used Fusion GPS to obtain fraudulent warrants from the FISA court to spy on the President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign.

Mueller, Comey, McCabe and many top Democrats colluded on this.


Perhaps you should refrain from TLDR anything. This part is entirely false:

"to spy on the President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign."

As proven BY THE MEMO, ironically enough. The FISA warrant app was submitted and approved on October 21st, 2016. Carter Page had left the campaign a month earlier. So that's just materially false.


Again, just because he was not currently in the trump team, they did seek to get a warrant while he was still on trumps team, and could still garner info on trumps campaign via spying on page even after he left the campaign.




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Assuming the memo is true, would you agree that's corruption?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: trb71
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Pretty much this, the democrats "memo" will be the same thing. The real fun is in the full 60-100 page document release if we can get that.

Which we'll never see.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: underwerks



How is that outrageous? You get put under surveillance because of rumors most times, and that's how they collect evidence. That's how investigations work, down to your local PD.

No.
That isn't how the FISA court works.
Rumors don't cut it.



Actually, all that's required is for a judge to sign off on it..


Each application for one of these surveillance warrants (called a FISA warrant) is made before an individual judge of the court. The court may allow third parties to submit briefs as amici curiae. When the U.S. Attorney General determines that an emergency exists, the Attorney General may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance before obtaining the necessary authorization from the FISC, if the Attorney General or their designee notifies a judge of the court at the time of authorization and applies for a warrant as soon as practicable but not more than seven days after authorization of such surveillance, as required by 50 U.S.C. § 1805.


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Whether rumor is good enough is up to the judge in question, and the case presented to him.

Then why did McCabe say that they needed the dossier to get the FISA warrant?
Why was a warrant denied previously?

IF a rumor is enough???

I guess a judge didn't agree with it.

Whatever the case, we're arguing over nothing.

Whatever the judge heard, he thought it was important enough to authorize surveillance. And without having access to the same exact information the judge had, neither of us really know anything. I mean, I can speculate all day, but I'm more interested in the facts.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
And here we are;

Anti-Trump/CNN/MSNBC; Memo is a lie, everyone is innocent except Trump. Impeach 45. Death to America. Blah blah blah.

Everyone else; Oh wow. Looks like there was corrupt activity going on with the FBI/DOJ and the Obama White House.



Nothing has changed.

You were SERIOUSLY expecting differently? Y'all are funny. I knew how this was going to go down as soon as this debate began. That's how confirmation bias propaganda like this memo works, mate. You munched on that bait anyways though.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
The really problem here is not the FISC....it is that all who signed for this at the FBI and DoJ knew they weren't forthcoming with all information pertinent to the warrant and still signed to get it through.

That is corruption at its best!


i didn't know you worked at this FISA court....please tell us all the pertinent information contained in those warrants that you have, that prompts you to label this "corruption at it's best"?........


Oh...great argument!

And it's referenced in the memo which was actually vetted and corroborated by the FBI, DoJ and the HIC....those guys signed for it. Based on their testimony they already knew at the time how it was paid for and where it came from.

But please...enlighten us with a brilliant spin on how these events are all coincidence and what reason so many in the Intel community on both sides seem to be getting demoted, fired or stepping down and all happen to have been involved with this particular dossier and warrant...

All coincidence right?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Again, you have not ressponded to the fact that the dossier was wrong; Page never met with sechin.

This is no small matter.

You dont get to say well page met with someone and discussed something, so this proves that even though the dossier had the names wrong and the specifics of the discussion havent been proved, it is corroborated.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
"The Resistance" just ran out of ammo. Mueler's "investigation" should be immediately shut down, Gowdy needs to be named special prosecutor for a case against the FBI, Justice Department, and Clinton campaign, and all of Muler's files should be ordered handed over to Gowdy's team immediately. Business, as they say, is about to pick up in a huge way.


Out of ammo - sure.

The question then becomes do they withdraw and live to fight another day or do they pull a last ditch sacrificial human wave charge in hopes of overtaking the enemy?


You'll have to ask Hillary about the sacrificial human bit.

She would definitely know




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH



It's not the spying that's the problem, it's the lying.

No, the party in power making up a fake dossier and using it as the basis for SPYING on the opposition... especially during an election.... that IS a problem.

Lying is what people do to avoid getting caught for their original wrongdoing.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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Well, looks like this was everything I had hoped for and more.

The DNC can take consolation in one thing... when they said Trump was "worse than Watergate," they were right... except it was them and not Trump. Typical... I've gotten used to their projection.

I have a feeling once the IG report comes out, some heads are going to roll... right into a prison cell. As they do, there will be more investigations behind them. This memo indicts Fusion GPS via Steele, which leads to Hillary Clinton, which leads to Barack Obama.

Which leads to every major DNC Congressman and Congresswoman.

What's that old catch phrase from the kiddie show my kids used to watch? Oh, yeah, I remember: "Gotta catch 'em all!"

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes there was russian interfernce, as there has been for decades.

Funny that Obama and the dems laughed at thios in 2012.



Source please?



Funny that the dossier, that cites Kremlin officials, was apparently used as a reason to spy on people that were in trumps team.


That is how spying works? Who else would they source information about secret Russian operations from? An Ouija board?




So I assume you would be for fisa warrants on all of those in the dnc and hillarys team that paid for and used that kremlin sourced dossier?


you make no sense. Getting intelligence from Russian sources is BAD...Lock up all the CIA..



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
And here we are;

Anti-Trump/CNN/MSNBC; Memo is a lie, everyone is innocent except Trump. Impeach 45. Death to America. Blah blah blah


So I guess the left will have no problems if every presidential campaign in the
future is run off of this playbook, right?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: underwerks




Whatever the judge heard

He heard lies.
That is the point of all this.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Abysha
I just want to make sure I'm absorbing this all correctly since things have been happening at a pace that is difficult to keep up with and I don't even know what I'm looking at sometimes, lol.


Its cool no worries.



originally posted by: Abysha
1 - The memo is basically a GOP op-ed? What makes this more legit than say the DNC version of this that hasn't been released?

It was drafted by the intelligence committee. Nothing in the memo is disputed. Democrats argue its out of context. The intel committee unanimously voted to approve the Democratic memo for release to the full house. They have to go through the exact same process Republicans did. Democrats apparently dont like that.



originally posted by: Abysha
2 - The document this memo is opining over is not released and we have no idea how to confirm it beyond this memo?
The dossier was released. It was published by Buzzfeed. It has NOT been corroborated and several people now have stated that under oath to the congressional committees investigating this mess. The memo released today revealed the FBI/DOJ knew it was not verified / corroborated.



originally posted by: Abysha
3 - Even the memo states that the Steele thing wasn't the only corroborating factor for the warrant. Am I reading that right?

Partially. Steele and Fusiongps shopped the dossier around to media outlets to report on it. The media reports were then used as "corroboration / credibility" to the dossier itself (called circular reporting). With that said the first 2 times they tried to obtain a FISA warrant they were denied by the court. The 3rd time used the dossier and the warrant was granted. I maintain there was nothing else supporting the dossier. Others think the info from the first 2 times supported the dossier to the extent of granting the warrant.



originally posted by: Abysha
4 - Is this release just a preemptive cushion to assuage the impact of future findings by the FBI since their reputation in the eyes of some is essentially "fake news"?

That all depends on how you see the information thus far. Personally I think the whole trump russia collusion narrative is bs and is done by democrats who were butt hurt that Clinton lost.



originally posted by: Abysha
In any case, this is a mess. I'm hoping this last year has at least accomplished one thing: making third-party folk (like the Green Party and the Libertarian Party) legitimately viable options in 2020.

Agreed.



Thank you for the catch-up. It's definitely one of those things I'll reserve judgement on until the dust settles, I think.


It's for the best. The rhetoric on both sides have only served to obfuscate the reality here.

All I know is, looking at the press for the past couple years, only one side of the rhetoric has gotten any airplay, while the rest is dismissed out of hand.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: underwerks



How is that outrageous? You get put under surveillance because of rumors most times, and that's how they collect evidence. That's how investigations work, down to your local PD.

No.
That isn't how the FISA court works.
Rumors don't cut it.



Actually, all that's required is for a judge to sign off on it..


Each application for one of these surveillance warrants (called a FISA warrant) is made before an individual judge of the court. The court may allow third parties to submit briefs as amici curiae. When the U.S. Attorney General determines that an emergency exists, the Attorney General may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance before obtaining the necessary authorization from the FISC, if the Attorney General or their designee notifies a judge of the court at the time of authorization and applies for a warrant as soon as practicable but not more than seven days after authorization of such surveillance, as required by 50 U.S.C. § 1805.


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Whether rumor is good enough is up to the judge in question, and the case presented to him.

Then why did McCabe say that they needed the dossier to get the FISA warrant?
Why was a warrant denied previously?

IF a rumor is enough???

I guess a judge didn't agree with it.

Whatever the case, we're arguing over nothing.

Whatever the judge heard, he thought it was important enough to authorize surveillance. And without having access to the same exact information the judge had, neither of us really know anything. I mean, I can speculate all day, but I'm more interested in the facts.

FACTS?!?! What are those things? Only hearsay and slander are admissible evidence in partisan courts.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Lol. Suuuuuure. I read the memo. It just makes a bunch of outstanding claims. Great confirmation bias fodder though for this sentence alone:

The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application.

Never mind that there is no evidence or arguments presented backing up the essentially of the dossier, but the memo says it so confirmation bias warriors are going to jump on it.


The memo admits that people in the fbi said it was only minimally corroborated and used media sources that were fed by steele to corroborate.

But I see you must have missed that part.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Lol. Suuuuuure. I read the memo. It just makes a bunch of outstanding claims. Great confirmation bias fodder though for this sentence alone:

The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application.

Never mind that there is no evidence or arguments presented backing up the essentially of the dossier, but the memo says it so confirmation bias warriors are going to jump on it.


I assume you, therefore, want the SC shut down, right? We've seen no evidence that Russia meddled in the election. So far we only have the intelligence services word on it.
edit on 2/2/2018 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: DBCowboy
And here we are;

Anti-Trump/CNN/MSNBC; Memo is a lie, everyone is innocent except Trump. Impeach 45. Death to America. Blah blah blah


So I guess the left will have no problems if every presidential campaign in the
future is run off of this playbook, right?



That's just it.

If Trump runs 2020 like Obama ran 2016, no one should complain.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The memo makes a lot of claims. None of which I believe.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
So I wonder how many people read the letter from the White House that came along with the Memo that contained this sentence?

To be clear, the Memorandum reflects the judgments of its congressional authors. The President understands that oversight concerning matters related to the Memorandum may be continuing.

Almost like even the White House is admitting this memo is full of bias and not the full picture.

Enjoy your big Nothingburger today Trump supporters.


My paycheck is bigger today regardless of what happens with this memo release. For that, I am thankful.




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