House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

a reply to: jimmyx

Haha, you've hit a new low!

Is this the democracy you boldly accused me of bashing?

a reply to: jimmyx

again with the tax returns. Mueller has them. LOL

Desperation ensues.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

BS it's not political. It got political as soon, as we learned later, the FBI changed wording in the Hillary statement before the election.

Honestly, you wrote that? You can discredit the memo but saying it's not political is silly.

Actually no. The changing of the wording doesn't prove anything regarding investigations of Russian interference, does it? It might show *something* in regards to the email investigation but that's debatable.

Of all the things you could have pointed to, that's an odd one. I'd also point out that nothing about the FBI didn't inform Congress or the American people that there was an ongoing counterintelligence investigation into people who had been involved in the Trump campaign.

The did however, issue another statement a week before the election, saying that they were reopening the investigation into Clinton's email server. You'll remember this because a lot of people on the Left had their turn to throw up their hands and say, "What the f was that # Comey?"

It's also come to light that the supposedly pro-Clinton-biased Strzok pushed for the reopening of the investigation and co-authored the draft of the statement that Comey delivered announcing that it had been reopened.

Anyway, all of that's mostly a distraction. There was Russian interference in the election (are you saying there wasn't?) and it should be investigated. Rep. Chris Stewart, GOP member of the House committee is right now on TV saying unequivocally that there was Russian interference in the election and he's concerned about Russian interference in the midterms.

So given that, how could there *not* be investigations?

I would also point out once again, that some of what has come out is that there were people who were working with or attempting to work with Russians to peddle influence over Trump. See the thread about Manafort in my sig. It's plain as day in his emails. Others like Papadopoulos were almost certainly being targeted by Russian intelligence services for nefarious purposes. Those aren't partisan concerns, those are everybody concerns.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Democrats from the committee are disputing the characterization of McCabe's testimony (as it were) in the memo and are now pushing for the committee to release the transcript of McCabe's testimony. I thought it was interesting that it was paraphrased.

Notice that some parts use extremely short quotes which are at least in some cases (e.g. "salacious and unverified"), easily proven misleading. (of course we can't tell if the same tactic was used elsewhere) We don't even get that for the alleged McCabe statement.

I'd like to see it all, too.

a reply to: jimmyx

I don’t see this as a bad thing as a democrat. The republicans are ripping each other apart. Over a memo written by a nunes staffer. Sit back and enjoy.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I have a feeling Mueller is busy at a paper shredder and using bleach bit right now.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
The really problem here is not the FISC....it is that all who signed for this at the FBI and DoJ knew they weren't forthcoming with all information pertinent to the warrant and still signed to get it through.

That is corruption at its best!

Yup and while it may take time to completely investigate this mess the courts have an ace up their sleeve. They can order the people who made the warrant application back into their court to answer to the court about what occurred. Contempt of court can be a bitch.

originally posted by: UKTruth
I would expect Rosenstein to be fired or to resign post haste.
He lied to the FISA court by omission of key information he was in possession of. He'll be lucky if he doesn't go to jail.

Jeff Sessions has way more than he needs to appoint a Special Counsel to get to the bottom of this corruption.

He will resign just before the IG report is released next month.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Again, the warrant on page from 2014 had expired.

That is why the fbi sought a new one in the summer of 2016, and it was denied. Then they went back with the dossier, and it was accepted.

As far as oppo research being ised, yeah but not for fisa warrants. Show me where that has happened.

Whats worse, the FBI and doj did not tell the fisa court that this was paid oppo research, possibly showing they knew that this info could hurt their chances of getting the warrant.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
The really problem here is not the FISC....it is that all who signed for this at the FBI and DoJ knew they weren't forthcoming with all information pertinent to the warrant and still signed to get it through.

That is corruption at its best!

Exactly right - the people named knowingly withheld vital information from the judge. That can't be allowed to stand.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
TLDR version:
The FBI and Democratic party used Fusion GPS to obtain fraudulent warrants from the FISA court to spy on the President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign.

Mueller, Comey, McCabe and many top Democrats colluded on this.

I can see why you would think this (on account of it being totally inaccurate and pushing a false narrative to drive Trump's agenda). But the god damn memo stated the FISA court warrant was originally issued before the Fusion GPS report.....

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: underwerks

Words mean things. To say a "Rumor" is needed for warrants issued would be REALLY bad for the American people.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Rumors are what starts surveillance, and surveillance is how evidence is collected.

If there was already enough evidence, there wouldn't be a need for surveillance of anyone. So of course there isn't going to be hard factual evidence at the beginning of any surveillance, that's what the surveillance is for.

This misunderstanding of the nature of investigations is one of the many things that the outrage here rests on. Yeah, I think it's crappy that all it takes is rumors to be put under surveillance, but that's normal. I really didn't think that was breaking news to anybody.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
TLDR version:
The FBI and Democratic party used Fusion GPS to obtain fraudulent warrants from the FISA court to spy on the President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign.

Mueller, Comey, McCabe and many top Democrats colluded on this.

Perhaps you should refrain from TLDR anything. This part is entirely false:

"to spy on the President-elect Donald Trump and his campaign."

As proven BY THE MEMO, ironically enough. The FISA warrant app was submitted and approved on October 21st, 2016. Carter Page had left the campaign a month earlier. So that's just materially false.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Democrats from the committee are disputing the characterization of McCabe's testimony (as it were) in the memo and are now pushing for the committee to release the transcript of McCabe's testimony. I thought it was interesting that it was paraphrased.

Notice that some parts use extremely short quotes which are at least in some cases (e.g. "salacious and unverified"), easily proven misleading. (of course we can't tell if the same tactic was used elsewhere) We don't even get that for the alleged McCabe statement.

Now this ios a reasonable gripe with the memo.

I too want to see McCabes testimony.

Seems like a pretty easy thing to get McCabe to make a statement on whether or not he actually testified that the warrant wouldn't have been obtained without the dossier. If he was mischaracterized by the GOP I'd think he'd want to straighten that out ASAP.

a reply to: visitedbythem

You know Liberal and Socialist are mutually exclusive right?

originally posted by: jimmyx
if we are throwing s**t up on the wall to see what sticks, we the American people should have the right to see these.

Who is this "we?" The past 11 months have been nothing but "the Resistance" throwing s**t in hopes something, anything would stick... and not a damn piece of it has. It's amusing that the moment a return shot is fired using actual facts and evidence it's suddenly "The administration is throwing s**t!" It's time for the psychological projection of sins and accusations to stop, Jimmy. It's time for justice to come to those who attempted to make a mockery out of this country's election results. It's time for us to stop playing games and get down to adults accepting the rule of duly elected authority.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: underwerks

How is that outrageous? You get put under surveillance because of rumors most times, and that's how they collect evidence. That's how investigations work, down to your local PD.

No.
That isn't how the FISA court works.
Rumors don't cut it.

Actually, all that's required is for a judge to sign off on it..

Each application for one of these surveillance warrants (called a FISA warrant) is made before an individual judge of the court. The court may allow third parties to submit briefs as amici curiae. When the U.S. Attorney General determines that an emergency exists, the Attorney General may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance before obtaining the necessary authorization from the FISC, if the Attorney General or their designee notifies a judge of the court at the time of authorization and applies for a warrant as soon as practicable but not more than seven days after authorization of such surveillance, as required by 50 U.S.C. § 1805.

Link

Whether rumor is good enough is up to the judge in question, and the case presented to him.

Then why did McCabe say that they needed the dossier to get the FISA warrant?
Why was a warrant denied previously?

IF a rumor is enough???

DP

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
"The Resistance" just ran out of ammo. Mueler's "investigation" should be immediately shut down, Gowdy needs to be named special prosecutor for a case against the FBI, Justice Department, and Clinton campaign, and all of Muler's files should be ordered handed over to Gowdy's team immediately. Business, as they say, is about to pick up in a huge way.

Out of ammo - sure.

The question then becomes do they withdraw and live to fight another day or do they pull a last ditch sacrificial human wave charge in hopes of overtaking the enemy?

So I wonder how many people read the letter from the White House that came along with the Memo that contained this sentence?

To be clear, the Memorandum reflects the judgments of its congressional authors. The President understands that oversight concerning matters related to the Memorandum may be continuing.

Almost like even the White House is admitting this memo is full of bias and not the full picture.

Enjoy your big Nothingburger today Trump supporters.