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ATS Warrant Canary

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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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A warrant canary is a very moderate but effective response to invasive government surveillance and Constitutional-subverting ""intelligence"" warrants. Of course they can't use these illegal, due-process crushing warrantless searches in a court of law, but they do nevertheless use it against you by developing investigative leads. Using unconstitutional programs.

Many service providers have used warrant canaries to avoid draconian and equally unconstitutional retaliation from the federal government for exposing their illegal and nefarious total-information-awareness ambitions.

Total information awareness is the objective, not "intelligence" or "law enforcement." Everything else is a way to get these "examples" through the kangaroo-FISA-courts, in order to set precedents. They are storing ALL data, and can search it retroactively - AFTER they've invented an excuse to select/unmask. Spying on the entire world has nothing to do with intelligence or law enforcement, and everything to do with subverting our natural rights and destroying our Republic. Much like the founders warned, the only real threat we face is from within.

So, to this end, I ask if ATS has a warrant canary? From a brief search, I was unable to locate one. But their search tool is based on Google, which is complicit with unlawful government surveillance, so I wouldn't put it past them to tamper with search results and suppress warrant canaries. IF they do have a warrant canary, is the site accessible via TOR/I2P (or even its very own .onion?) for the privacy buffs among us/plausible deniability


The main accomplishment I'd like to see out of a Trump Presidency is him appointing SCOTUS judges that will rule all domestic surveillance Unconstitutional (from before Nixon, to Nixon and now the deep state - so many INTELLIGENCE abuses). Yet is there ONE attack that they can say has been stopped? This isn't about "attacks" or "enemies." Regardless of the consequences, all mass surveillance should be either banned or made obsolete (aka forcing their hand) through strong and ubiquitous encryption. Selling out our own ideals and values for this BS notion of "safety" is a huge mistake. This country isn't worth having if it isn't free. And we aren't free living under the system we do today.

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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:39 AM
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He's all for unwarranted surveillance


The main accomplishment I'd like to see out of a Trump Presidency is him appointing SCOTUS judges that will rule all domestic surveillance Unconstitutional (from before Nixon, to Nixon and now the deep state - so many INTELLIGENCE abuses).


Okay, well that's not going to happen. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite is what has happened and will continue to happen.

I know, I know. Fake news, I'm triggered, I'm a stoopid Trump hater, etc etc



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

It's crap like this that Me me pack it all up and move to the woods. I know that the surveillance state doesn't stop because you live rural, but I feel a hell of a lot better when my location doesn't look like a scene from the movie idiocracy..



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

Didn't ALL 500+ members in senate/house just vote to expand fisa?



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: RomeByFire


No, you aren't fake news and you're right to be outraged about him reauthorizing FISA. No doubt because of the hawks and fear-mongers in our government advocating for this position (why is trampling our 1A/4A rights - through gag orders and bulk collection, respectively, of the few issues with broad bipartisan support?)

At least I hope that is the case. I think too many in the GOP are afraid to be seen as "anti-ABC" "anti-security" "anti-what have you"

But IMHO you're partially right, far from fake news. An individual must stand up for their convictions.
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: RomeByFire
An individual must stand up for their convictions.


This is exactly what they don't want, and why they have these powers/tools at their disposal.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
He's all for unwarranted surveillance


The main accomplishment I'd like to see out of a Trump Presidency is him appointing SCOTUS judges that will rule all domestic surveillance Unconstitutional (from before Nixon, to Nixon and now the deep state - so many INTELLIGENCE abuses).


Okay, well that's not going to happen. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite is what has happened and will continue to happen.

I know, I know. Fake news, I'm triggered, I'm a stoopid Trump hater, etc etc


I found the lack of apparent acknowledgement about this little factoid on ATS to be a little bewildering. Perhaps I just missed the thread or something, but it seems strange that so many small-government folks seem to have very little problem with the government being able to not only collect, but then read, their phone logs and emails and then apply for a warrant after, and only after, they've found something they like.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:12 AM
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Meh there are ways to stay anonymous on the net, you just have to know what you're doing, & all the lazy people using Wi-Fi make it nation-wide.

So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned?
What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?

K~



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Meh there are ways to stay anonymous on the net, you just have to know what you're doing, & all the lazy people using Wi-Fi make it nation-wide.

So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned?
What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?

K~





It's not necessarily what people are doing now that they want or need to "hide". It is a matter of privacy; are you entitled to it or are the government allowed to invade any and all areas of your life as they see fit?
If you believe the latter then, good for you I guess, but there are a LOT of people (and I'd argue, they are the ones who've been paying attention to their history lessons, as well as the present day and future developments) who disagree.

Just for example:

Imagine if you will that we have a repeat of the horrific spectacle seen in WW2 Germany. The same government but replete with all the technological advances, increased surveillance, expanded access and right to violate your privacy.

Do you think these days that the people could form an effective resistance effort? Would they be able to fight or would they be hopelessly outgunned?

Don't think it could happen? Don't think something similar or even worse could happen? Then I'd argue you haven't been paying attention.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Hewhowaits


Unfortunately yes. All because the GOP has talked one too many times about "how great" our intelligence or ABC service is. Time for a very real and very impartial analysis people. Greatness cannot be determined solely by intention and purpose, but the actual measurable effect of a policy or program. No one doubts the good intentions of the "rank and file" but one also cannot overlook the ulterior motives of those passing these laws (and somehow finding support across the aisle) and the top level officials who directly influence daily operations.

Not to mention the extreme potential for "turn-key" abuse, and the systemic violations of our privacy rights by bulk warrantless collection.

The complicit tech companies (with PRISM and other collection programs) should be boycotted for their complicity in this. It is how the government manages to circumvent our Constitution. Google/Verizon/et al do not have to allow NSA/etc to put secret rooms in their facilities for intercepts. They can submit subpoenas and warrants like the rest of LE.
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: aethertek


So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned? What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?


Not wanting third parties to have access to personal correspondence at-will is not indicative of having something to hide, it's indicative of not wanting third parties to have access to personal things.

This is why folks that try to parrot the "if you don't have anything to hide you don't have anything to fear" line fail out of the gate: having something to hide is utterly irrelevant to wanting privacy.

The government being able to go through your "goings-on" at a whim to determine whether you've done anything or not is absolutely no different than the government being able to stop, by force, anybody at any time, in any place, and demand they prove their identity.




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: aethertek


Meh there are ways to stay anonymous on the net, you just have to know what you're doing, & all the lazy people using Wi-Fi make it nation-wide.


TOR, VPN and proxy chains are a good start. But using a live OS (preferably behind an isolating proxy) with the above configuration is the most secure. Using SIGNAL or getting a "black phone" is another great option.




So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned?
What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?


That isn't how it works. I have nothing to hide, therefore they have no reason/right to collect my data. When it comes to infringing upon the rights of an American Citizen, the interest is protecting their rights not the government's interests/or security/safety. It isn't supposed to be easy. In fact, they should have to move Heaven and Earth before surveilling a United States Citizen/Taxpayer.
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Meh there are ways to stay anonymous on the net, you just have to know what you're doing, & all the lazy people using Wi-Fi make it nation-wide.

So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned?
What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?

K~





So I suppose you'd be fine with the police coming and searching your home several times a day? Nothing to hide is the same logic used to defend illegal search of real property too.
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

why does ATS need a " warrant canary " ?????????????????

seriously - what does ATS have concering you - on its servers - that i cannot see ??????????????

my guesses are :

1 - your email addy



2 - your password



3 - the contents of your private messages in // out boxes



anything else ??????????????????

ATS warrant canaries - LOLZ

i really wonder why people who are that paranoid actually use the internut



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape


On me? Nothing. Because I didn't use private and personal accounts/information to sign up. On you? Who clearly didn't take those basic precautions? Probably more than you'd like to admit.

How many plugins do you run in your browser? OS name/version? Browser version? Installed patches? Screen resolution? IP address history? Referrer URL? Ad infinitum. A unique "fingerprint" of your digital ID can be amalgamated with this information alone. Look at a tool named "POF" and many others
Unless you're comfortable sharing all of the above with the public Internet, then you implicitly acknowledge there is indeed sensitive information to defend.

I use Qubes OS, with a Windows VM specifically compartmentalized for ATS/conspiracy sites. Why would I want to associate a real ID with topics of this nature? I wouldn't be so outspoken against TPTB if it weren't for my privacy setup, which is a clear example of warrantless spying chilling freedom of speech.

The sad part is that most web sites don't allow TOR users to connect, at least not without jumping through hoops. I recommend paying several Internet users for access to their VPN's (with bit coins), that you connect through AFTER TOR. You don't have to trust them and you shouldn't know them in real life, just make sure to use HTTPS and HSTS (among many other recommendations) and compartmentalize everything

My privacy situation is ideal. I have the time, resources and money to ensure my private data remains uncollected. I'm not concerned about -ME- in the least. It is the non-privacy buffs I worry about. Those who don't have the tools/time/inclination to protect their data will be exploited by the fed and private corporations.

The spooks can't protect their own data. Why trust them with yours? Too much faith in the fed, if you ask me. What have they ever done to earn your trust? I can cite hundreds of examples where they've lied, broken laws or otherwise behaved like complete untrustworthy ####-bags though.

Besides, if little ole deep state/IC wants my data, let them work for it. If I can waste their time digging through my non-interesting BS that I secure out of my principles only, then mission accomplished. I've taken up their time that would've otherwise been spent exploiting those who don't encrypt or at least sign *everything*
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posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 12:32 PM
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i really wonder why people who are that paranoid actually use the internut


Well now, that was the most clever thing I've read all day.



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: aethertek

So what are you trying to hide, that you need be so concerned?
What salacious deviant goings-on do you perform on your box that would warrant an inspection of your "history"?



Yeah. If you're not doing anything illegal, there's no reason to keep it secret. And if someone exposes illegal activity, then the perpetrators of the illegal activity should be the ones to be hunted down and punished, not the person who exposes the illegal activity.

That's why all the people who were responsible for illegal surveillance before they made it legal are serving time in jail right now.




posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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Sorry I cant work up any sympathy for your losses.

You people cheered this on during your blood lust after 9/11 so don't come crying to me after the fact.
You bought the BS propaganda to keep you safe from the "mooselambs" so quit your belly aching & learn to sniff & scratch.

K~



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Sorry I cant work up any sympathy for your losses.

You people cheered this on during your blood lust after 9/11 so don't come crying to me after the fact.
You bought the BS propaganda to keep you safe from the "mooselambs" so quit your belly aching & learn to sniff & scratch.

K~






You should have added " drops mic and walks out "



posted on Feb, 2 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

It's the whole way the internet is structured. IMO what we should do is create a bill of digital rights, and any and all personal information is protected via an encrypted database. Then any and all personal information becomes our right to disclose or not disclose.

No one talks about this issue because too many corporations make too much money off stealing your data and then re-selling it.




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