a reply to: Peeple
So, boiling your argument down to a statement possessed of some brevity...
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and we need to agree to disagree.
That is a very noble position to take, and I applaud you for it. However, I can see a few problems with it.
When you compromise between two positions, for the benefit of all, this idealism works perfectly, makes better things happen than nearly all the
alternatives to it. However, there are circumstances where compromising between two positions is unhealthy.
For example, if you hold a position that states that gravity is a property of mass carrying objects, and someone else does not, simply agreeing to
disagree will have ramifications, serious ones, especially if you base building codes and so on, on the compromise, not the factually correct
observation of reality which states categorically, that gravity is most definitely a thing we need to pay attention to.
If you agree to disagree on matters pertaining to vaccination and other medical treatments, rather than solely applying scientific awareness to the
problems pertaining to medical science, then what you get is a situation where people who are fundamentally incorrect about EVERY aspect of the
biological and immunological ramifications of decision making, are an intrinsic part of deciding how to deploy such resources in those fields as are
within the grasp of a given society. This, of course, is utterly idiotic, and no sensible individual would sanction such a method, for deciding such
If you agree to disagree on matters like healthcare, child care, corporate power and so on and so forth, then what you will get, rather than choices
and ways forward based on what is ACTUALLY happening in a country, you will get a situation where the informed persons get to do half as much good as
they could, and those whose willful ignorance, greed and bigotry are only permitted to do half as much harm.
You see, reality is not subjective, it is objective. Things are a certain way, they are not another. Up is up, regardless of you knowing which is
which at the time of asking. You can prove this to yourself by throwing yourself off a boat with your eyes shut and a scuba set on, and sinking
yourself, then spinning yourself around a few times, then opening your eyes. If you fell deep enough, there is no way to tell which way is actually
up, unless you can see the sea floor. But, swim in the wrong direction long enough, and you will either reach the bottom or run out of air and die.
Only swimming in the correct direction, will get you back to the surface before your tank runs empty. Basing ones way forward ONLY on what is REAL
therefore, not what is suspected, not what is assumed, but only what is KNOWN to be true, is the only way to ensure the most amount of success, the
least amount of failure. When that obvious truth is applied to the scale of nations, the stakes become all the higher, and the more important it is to
banish ANY idea that does not clearly come from a mind which is aware of all the FACTS pertaining to a matter, from the debate table, and any mind
which consistently refuses to observe and correctly comprehend reality, from the discussion entirely.
The stakes are high, its the life or death of millions upon millions of human beings, both in a given nation, and the world at large, and people here
want to allow compromises between those who know what they are talking about, and those who do not know their own buttholes from their elbows? I
CANNOT agree to disagree, because the needs of human beings are based in reality, not imagination, not opinion, no other thing. Reality is more
important than these concepts of trying to get along in peace, and not being "difficult" to work with.
When one group have consistently shown their ideas to come from a certain, informed point of view which, instead of being formed of propagandist
twaddle, is actually made up of observable fact, and another group have consistently demonstrated their total unwillingness to accept any of the
evidence reality places before them, of exactly how skewed and factually incorrect their positions are on... EVERYTHING, then no, compromise should
not be possible. Reality and those who correctly understand it, MUST dominate the debates, discussions, and indeed the conclusions of ALL parties,
groups, ideals and ideas, and that is not what is happening now. What is happening now is the opposite.
Fact: There is only reality, and everything else besides it.
Fact: Accepting anything other than reality as the guidestone by which one navigates the future, may be acceptable on a personal level, but should be
impermissible when it comes to community or national leadership.
Fact: Compromise in the face of reality is not noble or just. Insisting on basing all action and word upon reality and only reality, is the only
noble way forward, since anything else damages the people on whose behalf choices are made, their futures, their health, their way of life, their
ability to continue to live at all.
Reality does not give a damn what opinions crop up, and it is reality, not opinion, that shapes how our choices are going to effect the history of
the world. Those who accept and understand this, and behave as if they have understood and accepted it, are the only ones who ought to be making any
moves in this era. We are too old a species to still be clinging to tribalist, phallus waving lunatics with god complexes.
edit on 2-2-2018 by
TrueBrit because: (no reason given)